Non-ISC Category Suggestions
6 years ago
North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany

A longer time ago, there already was a kind of discussion for this with ended up without real results for reasons i forgot about. The idea was having "Non-ISC" (Non-Intended Star Count) challenges. Even though I wouldn't be that disappointed if this idea doesn't get through I still like the concept of it.

There would be 2 Non-ISC categories which would be "Non-ISC All Numbers Challenge" and "Non-ISC Every SR Part Challenge".

The concept is simple, in the 4 main categories you beat one star revenge game out of each number with the lowest intended amount of stars in the one challenge and with all stars each in the other challenge, then in the 2 other categories you either beat every part of the star revenge series with all stars, or only with the lowest intended amount of stars. The Non-ISC idea would add up to that, a category where you get the least possible amount of stars needed to finish the hack for each number of the series and then a category where you finish every part of the series with the least possible amout of stars. But the option to only "break" each hack as much as you want should be given like that you can take a category to run which is longer but way easier to do. The usual rules would apply here too, which means you can choose the order in which you run each hack but you must start with a specific hack and end with a specific hack.

So in practice, the "Non-ISC All Numbers Challenge" would look like this in their hardest execution: SRR2.0 0 Star --> SR2.5 Forbidden% --> SR3 1 Star --> SR4.5 0 Star --> SR5 Nightmare% --> SR6.5 1 Star --> SR7 1 Star --> SR8 5 Star

An execution that would be way easier but possible would be this: SRR2.0 21 Star --> SR2.5 Forbidden% --> SR3 1 Star --> SR4.5 0 Star --> SR5 Nightmare% --> SR6.9 16 Star --> SR7 61 Star --> SR8 5 Star

For the "Non-ISC Every SR Part Challenge" the hardest and fastest execution would be this although it would be needed to be cleared up whether or not the old To The Moon demo is in. SR1 100 Star --> SRR1.3 105 Star --> SRR2.0 0 Star (--> Old TTM Demo 12 Star) --> Act 1: TTM 0 Star --> SR2.5 Forbidden% --> NoD 90 Star --> SR3 1 Star --> SR4 35 Star --> SR4.5 0 Star --> SR0.5 36 Star --> SR5 Nightmare% --> SR6 40 Star --> SR6.5 1 Star --> SR6.9 16 Star --> SR7 1 Star --> SR7.5 17 Star --> SR8 5 Star

The way easier but slower execution is this: SR1 100 Star --> SRR1.3 105 Star --> SRR2.0 21 Star (--> Old TTM Demo 12 Star) --> Act 1: TTM 16 Star --> SR2.5 Forbidden% --> NoD 90 Star --> SR3 1 Star --> SR4 35 Star --> SR4.5 0 Star --> SR0.5 36 Star --> SR5 Nightmare% --> SR6 40 Star --> SR6.5 70 Star --> SR6.9 16 Star --> SR7 61 Star --> SR7.5 82 Star --> SR8 5 Star

Now there's also the question whether or not SR2.5 Forbidden% and Nightmare% should count since both are somehow special categories, either way i would say yes because they do finish the game normally and could therefore be somehow considered as usual category, it's not like the lenght would matter here anyways. And we'd need proper names for these 2 categories.

After all, these things can be discussed later, first of all I would just like to here some opinions on this, I like the idea, honestly.

Virginia, USA

For the full series one, we would have to wait until the series is done before it could become a real category, since the release of a new game would invalidate any runs, just like the full series challenges already (i put them in misc for now because the series isn't complete). The other one i see no problem with, it would be one of each number any%. It would be kinda weird because it would be so short, but I guess that just means it would be a category that could get decently optimized.

You kind of forgot a category, corresponding the the current masters and apprentice challenge, the "main series" runs, which do 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, but that would be kinda awkward for this I guess because 1 and 2 don't really have an any%, other than ISC. (Well NoD does have a 0 star but pretty sure that is TAS only). As far as I know, SR4 doesn't have a final star door skip either. To fit this in, we could call it the apprentice challenge, then change the apprentice challenge to some other name between master and apprentice, like journeyman or something. But then it would be tough to come up with names for the full series runs. But, those won't even be viable for a while since the series is still not done, so we can cross that bridge when we get to it.

Anyway, for the "one of each number any%", we should try to keep the same theme as the current names for the "one of each number" categories, so we either have to come up with a word that is scrubbier than "scrub", or change this to scrubs challenge, and find a less scrubby but still kinda srubby name for "one of each number any% ISC". Some names that immediately come to mind would be for the any% (not ISC) the "meme 'challenge'", or the "joke challenge", but that might not be any good, who knows. There is still the option of it taking the name of the scrubs challenge and giving the scrubs challenge a new name.