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Super Mario Odyssey Forum  /  I need to prove a point to my friend

todthetoadtodthetoad

Indiana, USA

  todthetoadtodthetoad
13 Feb 2021, 02:16

my friend thinks that practicing full speedruns is how to practice as a beginner I argue that he should practice levels indivualy before doing a full run who do you agree with: A: Me B: My Friend

 

EdiblePiEdiblePi

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Minnesota, USA

  EdiblePiEdiblePi
13 Feb 2021, 02:36

C:Depends on the game

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todthetoadtodthetoad

Indiana, USA

  todthetoadtodthetoad
13 Feb 2021, 02:54

WaDaPungYoMa it is smo

 

EdiblePiEdiblePi

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Minnesota, USA

  EdiblePiEdiblePi
13 Feb 2021, 03:15 (edited: 13 Feb 2021, 03:16)

Oh then A get good at all of the kingdoms and their tricks and then combine it

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ely_ely_

Tunisia

  ely_ely_
13 Feb 2021, 05:00

a cause if there is a kingdom trick u cnt do then you don't have to lose so much time\

 

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  IronInvoker47IronInvoker47
13 Feb 2021, 05:15

I would say it depends on the game, but as someone who usually plays games separated into levels, it's a lot easier for me to learn certain chunks and stitch them together. But even that preference may vary per person, so it could be that it depends on the player as well as the game.

For SMO as a specific game in mind, I would imagine either way is fine.

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LululoverLululover

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  LululoverLululover
13 Feb 2021, 05:16 (edited: 13 Feb 2021, 05:16)

A, cause each kingdom is hard enough to do descently, add them all together with minimal practice... just no, i know from expirience and my first time was an over 2 and a half hour time(for any%)

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Jack_RJack_R

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Massachusetts, USA

  Jack_RJack_R
13 Feb 2021, 07:51

I'd say to LEARN the run, yes, practice the levels individually until you know all the movement, routing, etc. But at a beginner level you don't really need to practice unless you want to; you can usually get PBs by just playing full game runs.

 

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  cyndifusiccyndifusic
14 Feb 2021, 06:47

my take is if you're a beginner honestly just do whatever the hell you want because when you're still figuring out fundamental aspects of how the game works, it's a waste of your time to try to be super metacognizant of your approach to speedrunning in general

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InfiniteInfinite

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  InfiniteInfinite
14 Feb 2021, 07:11

Honestly a mixture of both is probably the best, if you do runs you can see what you’re struggling with then fix it in IL practice.

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MonkeytronMonkeytron

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United Kingdom

  MonkeytronMonkeytron
14 Feb 2021, 08:44

You'll get better and more consistent by playing individual levels, but you don't want to overdo any one kingdom before you're consistent with all the others - being able to not die in later kingdoms will save much more time than perfecting DSS in cascade!

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GoodGoombaGoodGoomba

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Victoria, Australia

  GoodGoombaGoodGoomba
15 Feb 2021, 05:36

imo for learning, il's are good but for general practice as a beginner, it's probably best to do full game runs. when you're a beginner, you're not fully comfortable with the controls so doing full game runs will make you more experienced in controlling mario. i think it's best to do il's for practice once you're around the intermediate level, so that you know exactly what movement you'll do when. but for a beginner the most important thing is to learn the route and just get better at general movement.

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BDLCrusherBDLCrusher

Kentucky, USA

  BDLCrusherBDLCrusher
15 Feb 2021, 05:48 (edited: 15 Feb 2021, 05:50)

Personally as someone getting people into speedrunning these days; I think it boils down to how long the run is. Smo is a long run for most starter runners. If you take smo on first, then IL to the point you know what you need to do then in a run. Full game is by far better till you reach decent times with "Free movement". Also, learning what it is to be an hour deep into a run and have to pull of late game hard tricks is something only full runs can get you to feel.

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tmvrontatmvronta

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United Kingdom

  tmvrontatmvronta
15 Feb 2021, 12:42

bro just do what you want lol

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BlipBlip

Ireland

  BlipBlip
15 Feb 2021, 16:00

Generally I would recommend just practicing some of the main beginner-friendly jumps/tricks like dino skip, moon skip, night metro awning jump and then focus on full runs at first. The general route isn't too difficult to learn especially if you have watched speedruns of the game (but it depends on each individual's experience). Once you know the route, practicing and improving general movement is the most important way to save time. Full game runs are great for that, but ILs can work too of course.

 

Ocarinist_DrewOcarinist_Drew

United States

  Ocarinist_DrewOcarinist_Drew
16 Feb 2021, 06:45 (edited: 16 Feb 2021, 06:54)

Ok, so, what I did when I was learning this game...

I followed along with Smallant1's Beginner's Guide. (Nowadays I would recommend Tomshiii's guide instead.) He had a video for each Kingdom. I would watch the video and focus primarily on memorizing the route. Then, I would do an IL or two of that Kingdom--just to learn and memorize the route. Once I had the route memorized, I would move on to the next video and repeat the process. I'm slow, so this took me like a week or two, but once I had the route for each Kingdom memorized, I just did full-game runs. I didn't do an IL again until I was at like a 1:06:XX. From there, IL's with a focus on improving your lines, optimizing your movement, and maybe implementing some more advanced tricks/strats are the most efficient ways to improve.

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