Resident Evil Outbreak: File #2 Forum  /  Why are the stick figures prohibited from offline play?
  Biohazard2236Biohazard2236

I would like to know why stick figures are only to be used for online play? They're plentiful of runs that are used by Mr.Gold or others. They're part of the normal roster and they shouldn't be only online play. As well as some records can't be beaten now since some runs were previously used by Stick figures and other characters. It would be great if they were used for offline play too.

 
  WoweeTheDoggoWoweeTheDoggo
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The choice to make sticks online only was a choice made by the moderators to prevent Mr. Gold from being used solo to make the level extremely trivial and so players would not be forced to use Ms. White since she is by far the fastest character. Could you please link the offline runs that have stick figures so I can fix them.

 
  WoweeTheDoggoWoweeTheDoggo

Upon examining all scenario runs I have concluded that the only offline scenario run that uses Mr. Gold or any other stick figure was your run of DT on nightmare. If you have any other questions related to this topic feel free to ask here

 
  grasshopper5674grasshopper5674

Out of curiosity, is this still a thing? I've looked at the rules for runs and there is no longer any mention of it. I'm looking at getting back into it but I wanna be sure of what's allowed before I start working on it again

 
  grasshopper5674grasshopper5674

It does, thanks! I've gotta ask though, why the difference in rules between emulator and console regarding the characters?

 
  VSilverwingsVSilverwings

Long story short, emulator players have access to everything and everyone so no one is disadvantaged. Console though can't access file 3 dubbed characters unless you use gameshark.

https://obsrv.org/wiki/index.php?n=Main.CharacterStatistics

This details which characters are 'file 3'.

 
  AndehXAndehX

Not sure I understand the logic. I play on console, and I never used a gameshark to get all the characters. I just copied an emulator save file to my memory card. How is that not the same as just playing on emulator? I don't get it...

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  VSilverwingsVSilverwings

I suppose it's because not everyone has the means to load an emulated save file to their console. I wasn't sure one could use a jp save file from emulator on say a PAL console save it's just not something I tried.

 
  AndehXAndehX

Yeah I was just thinking it seemed a bit stupid really because it's very easy to put save files onto your memory card if you have access to ulaunchelf, which I think it's safe to say 99% of speedrunners on console most likely do.
But the argument that not everyone on console has access to a gameshark is a bit weak since you could just as easily say that not all speedrunners have a PC fast enough to run PCSX2 reliably... It works both ways really.

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  VSilverwingsVSilverwings
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Yeah but then take that route and you can say people who lack electricity, a computer, limbs with which to play, heck I lack the time to compete so do we limit how much we grind? Not meaning to sound argumentative but there comes a point when anyone who wants to speedrun REOB on pc should have a pc that can play it. This isn't Cyberpunk 2077 where you need a high level PC or a PS4 Pro because it's that much better than the PS4 with loading and frame rates. REOB on an emulator is really basic. You could have a super old pc to the point parts have been discontinued and it will still work reliably.

Anyone who goes the PC route gets file 3 content unlocked straight away or it's just an extra step of installing a file. Same as making REOB HDD instead of disc. No one is prevented from doing this, it's free. It's not worth making rules to exclude content that is accessible to everyone anyway. This is why a tracker and file 3 were eventually allowed because it was harder to make rules and enforce them to prevent people using them than it was to let them be used.

For console users, they start off with a console and the game, that's their baseline. I don't have gameshark, or ulanchelf (sorry don't know what that is). What if you have a PS2 and have no means to connect it to the internet? What if you can't connect to the internet with your PS3 for that matter? Let's say you could record the run and get someone else to upload to get around that obstacle.

It's up to the mods to change the rules if it is clear everyone on console can play at the same level on entry. The last time this came up I think it was stated that all file 3 characters are basically inferior in one way or another anyway so anyone speedrunning wouldn't use them anyway so to go to the effort of modifying console versions to use file 3 when it wouldn't be used seems a mute point anyway.

The best thing you can do is present your case for why file 3 should be allowed for console users and how everyone could easily. Convince the mods that people who can't modify their consoles wouldn't be disadvantaged. If you succeed then the rules will change.

 
  AndehXAndehX

I honestly don't care that much, I just wanted to know what the logical reason for it was cause to me, it makes no sense. But w/e, it is what it is I guess.

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