Hey everyone, I know a handful of you have been waiting for the End of Zoe and Not A Hero DLC's to come out and it's finally time! I know I'm excited about both DLC's, and many of you are excited about running them so I thought we'd get working together on what kind of runs we'd like to see.I will also be using this to gauge how much interest there is in running specific categories for these DLC's.
I'm going to post a SPOILER WARNING here for anyone that has not seen the leaks in case you are trying to avoid knowing absolutely anything about these DLC's. Since the leaks exist we can use these videos to start to form ideas for categories and rules. In explaining a couple of categories I do have spoiler content in them. So, you've been warned.
Before jumping all the way into this, There are two rules that will stay consistent with these two runs no matter what, and those are the single segment only rule, and the mic and in-game audio only rule. Below, I'm going to just list my thoughts/opinions on categories for the DLC's and get your feedback. I will list likely categories, which will be basic categories that you should kind of expect, and I will list potential categories, which will be categories that might work but we will not know for certain until after everyone has access to the game and it has been attempted/tested/achieved.
Not A Hero:
Likely Completion Type Categories: Any% - Beat the game as fast as you can. 100% - There are 10 coins and 9 files as well as stabilizers and steroids that can be collected and those all appear on the end game results screen.
Potential Completion Type Categories: Knife Only - Just like knife only un the main run where it follows new game rules with melee as your only option. It is currently unknown for certain if you could complete the game using only your knife, as it has yet to be attempted, but if so we could have this as a category.
Difficulty Categories: Easy - For the quickest version of the DLC Professional - Not a Hero's version of Madhouse, most difficult version of the DLC.
Mode Categories: New Game - Complete the game using none of the unlock-able items. New Game+ - All unlock-able items are allowed.
Then we would obviously separate PC and Console as we have with all other categories.
It would be timed using the in game time which is displayed on the end game results screen. Loading a game would not be allowed but retries would.
If you guys have any suggestions or clarifications please respond below. I again want to state that these are not finalized in any way, so suggestions/recommendations will be taken into account.
End of Zoe:
Likely Completion Type Categories: Any% - Beat the game as fast as you can. 100% - There are Boxer Effigies and Champion Effigies that are collectibles for this run that appear on the end of game Stats screen.
Potential Completion Type Categories: Melee% or Punchy% - In End of Zoe you can kill enemies without the use of weapons. This could be a category similar to knife% in the main run where it follows new game rules with melee as your only option. It is currently unknown for certain if you could complete the game using only melee, as it has yet to be attempted, but if so we could have this as a category. This would have to include the use of the Advanced Multi-Purpose Gauntlet since it is necessary for completion. It could be fun, there is a Punches Thrown counter that shows up on the stats screen. Extreme Challenges - After completing a difficulty you unlock the ability to do Extreme Challenges for that difficulty. It is unknown if they will be available for all runs on that difficulty from that point forward or if they will only be achievable once. If they are available for every run after the first completion, then a category where complete the game while accomplishing all of these challenges could exist.
Difficulty Categories: Easy - For the quickest version of the DLC Joe Must Die - End of Zoe's version of Madhouse, most difficult version of the DLC.
Mode Categories: New Game - Complete the game using none of the unlockable items. New Game+ - All unlockable items are allowed.
Again we would obviously separate PC and Console as we have with all other categories.
It would be timed in RTA since there is no timer listed on the end game Stats screen. Loading a game would not be allowed but retries would.
If you guys have any suggestions or clarifications for End of Zoe please respond below as well. I once again want to state that these are not finalized in any way, so suggestions/recommendations will be taken into account.
So lastly, I want to reiterate that these are my thoughts and opinions. Obviously, we need the DLC to be out before we could finalize any of these categories, but these are things we can keep in mind. I do not intend on creating the leaderboards for these two DLC's until they have been out for a few days at least so that we have time to get these ideas finalized. If I do make any categories in the first day or two they will likely be any% easy/professional/JMD ng/ng+ and any other categories could come at a later time.Part of the reason I would likely wait is for what I said above, to get rules and routes figured out, but also because I'll be running and learning these DLC's as I'm certain other mods will be as well so verifications would likely be slow to non-existent. Also, this gives us all time to get some routing started so our initial submissions are something we can look back on without embarrassed eyes.
Now it's your turn, give opinions/thoughts/etc.. below:
Seems fair to me, but as you said we have yet to go through the DLCs to figure what is doable or not. Otherwise i'm not a big fan of RTA, I know for console it'll be -most likely- unavoidable but for PC I think it would be more accurate - IF - someone would like to mess up with game markers/cues. I'd be glad to do it myself but unfortunately I have no skill whatsoever in "gamedata mining" or whatever it's called
/summon CursedToast/Timbouton
the dlcs are free no? so as long as you complete the game once, then they will be added to banned footage? and i'm up for speedrunning these! good luck to everybody who is interested!
Psarthex, you normally have to say my name three times, but I'll be summoned this time around.
I DO plan to update the autosplitter. I'm guessing the main campaign splitter is going to break (if it hasn't already), and I plan to add splits for EoZ and NaH in addition. So while the timer will be RTA for the new DLC, PC users can have a "standard" that will automatically split for them all in the same place.
I have to work until 5 pm EST, then pick up my GPU... But I'll see what I can do before end of day.
First priority will be updating the splitter to work with the new version of RE7's main campaign (not confirmed, but it did likely break), and afterward I will tackle NaH. I don't get paid until Friday and won't really be able to afford EoZ before then, however.
So TL;DR of my plans:
1.) Fixing main campaign splitting, as the update probably broke it. 2.) NaH splits will be added. 3.) Later in the week, EoZ splits will be added.
@LoanSharkJoe, the Not a Hero DLC is free, the End of Zoe DLC is part of the season pass or you can buy it individually.
Thanks @CursedToast for being awesome and spending your time working on these things.
We haven't hashed out the rules or categories yet. Plus, you're not using a timer in your run.
since there was no in game timer, i started the timer as soon as i press X" to start game and stopped it as soon as last cuscene plays. sorry if i did it wrong but i was so excited and wanted to speedrun it lol, of course i will change it as soon as the rules are announced
The Not A Hero leaderboards exist now, albeit in kind of an early state so bear in mind stuff might get shuffled around a bit in the coming days.
We're still discussing exactly how to approach End of Zoe and are probably waiting on the autosplitter for the time being, sorry for the delays.
Autosplitter for EoZ is up (please test it), boards coming tomorrow morning.
