Well what I'm going to say now maybe not everyone agrees, but in my opinion could very well be accepted, because for me this is a factor of choice for each player and, since the beginning of the races people have been having this type of problem is not an RNG Common, is about a point where the two routes any% and magnum route meet and changes it in my opinion will not have any problem. Since each one can have the domain on which route will do, it is not RNG of safsprin or 1 Change until then yes would be cheating, because the game has this random factor but if it is about Granade Launcher there would be power in the decision to choose on which route to do it would not agree for example if the tool forces if the game to do always safsprin Or 1 change in my opinion that yes would be wrong
I don't run this game at all and may have accidentally started this argument in the first place by telling Chaps to run it by everyone first instead of just releasing the program openly.
But literally this exact thing was brought up before for one of the Silent Hill games and the mere suggestion of locking the RNG for random puzzles was laughed out of the room basically unanimously. Super Meat Boy also had dalliances with locking the RNG for one of its major rng breakpoints in one of its boss patterns and that also got shot the fuck down.
I don't allow myself to have a specific opinion because I don't play the games, but what I will provide is perspective. I have seen this exact argument occur a couple of times in other games and I have never ever seen those game's communities go for it.
I would be completely baffled if RE3 decides to be the exception.
Let's assume that only the adjustment of RNG of this time grenade launcher / Magnum has become YES.
Later on, someone developed a tool that can adjust the key of the seized warehouse and the quiz of the pharmaceutical company and will it be accepted in the same way?
Is there a persuasive power to the opinion that it is different from this?
After all, I think that there is the danger that if we permit the introduction of this tool, it will be a trigger for allowing adjustment of the whole random elements of this game.
@keny No it won't, grenade launcher RNG is completely unrelated to those things. Grenade Launcher RNG causes resets, not a time loss, it can't be managed, it can't be dealt with. Everything else are RNG that causes time losses instead. Thinking that if we allow Grenade Launcher RNG to be removed would make people want the other RNG to me removed is idiotic, because they're not even close to being related apart from being RNG.
I spoke to Dchaps about this previously and I'm glad he is pinging the community about this before releasing such a tool.
I mean, already using the "SRT" to view ammo and health values is already pushing it. A tool that would guarantee a specific drop is pretty much the definition of TAS. You don't see Dark Souls runners adjusting the drop values for weapons despite how infinitely harder that game is.
With that being said, I will ask that Dchaps only release the tool (with all other RNG included as well) to me and no one else.
Thank you for reading my post. dudsLmao
Adjusting drop values for dark souls would be akin to adjusting 4011, safsprin, 104. Grenade launcher RNG isn't comparable.
[quote=orchlon1]Adjusting drop values for dark souls would be akin to adjusting 4011, safsprin, 104. Grenade launcher RNG isn't comparable.[/quote]
wat
rng is rng my dude
You're missing the point, it's the result from the RNG that's why I think it's okay to alter the grenade launcher RNG. Since it's a guaranteed reset any time you get a magnum, no matter what, I think it's okay to remove it, but other things like safsprin aren't, they're just time losses, they don't force you to reset because the entire route becomes different.
You know what would entice new runners? Less magnums, that's the point. That's why the top runners don't want it, because they're gatekeeping their game, while most new runners or people who have been running it a couple months want it.
There are more people who have said yes or yes but with a new category than people who've said no.
i told myself i wasn't getting involved in this because i haven't cared about this game for like 2 years now but...
@orchlon1 Top runners aren't "gatekeeping" they are seeing the right from the wrong. If new runners can't handle the magnum resets then maybe this isn't the game they should be speedrunning! complaining after such little play time about magnum resets shows they aren't dedicated to the game at all. You're account was made 1 month ago so i guess you fall into that category too ?
so just because non dedicated players can't handle the resets, that means you want a tool that will help you cheat the game so you don't have to put the work in like many others have done for YEARS ? when i ran this game a long time ago i had 19 magnums in a row and that's without basement resets, at that point i put the game down and never touched it again as a speed game because i just wasn't dedicated to the game. RNG is RNG, if you manipulate it to your advantage you are cheating, it doesn't matter what way you look at it. As for this cheat enticing new runners, sure it would entice people that pick up RE3 as their first ever speed game, you know, the people that don't know any better, but people from other communities with RNG heavy games? not a fucking chance. This game would be a laughing stock across all of SRC, 4 minutes is not a big deal to reset at considering other games have resets due to RNG at like 4 HOURS. If you're dedicated enough you'll do it.
-Edit- one more thing, this doesn't deserve a new category unless it's called "Any% - for the less dedicated players"
Adding NG+ under Misc would be a far better solution than cheating.
Didn't bother to read all the posts in this thread most of it is probably irrelevant anyway like every discussion that happens in the RE Series.
@jakef1891 Thank you for that example.
I have to say that if you dont wanna continue the run as Magnum% then reset is your only option. The runner has the option to continue but chooses to reset, im sorry but cheating the game would remove the most dedicated part of this game. I guess we have to agree to dissagree.
Furthermore I'm gonna stop resetting when I get a magnum and I will submit it to Magnum% and Any% if I beat my current PB.
Even though there's potential for interesting "mods", making a category out of it it's not going to help the game being active again. So I'm just going to say no.
- I don't care if you're a non active, active or not runner of this game. For me every opinion is important but with respect and not attacking.
- If moding that RNG could change the entire game, I'll say no this time in this project.
- I prefer the NG+ misc right now. It looks fun for me.
- For me the magnum/GL RNG was really stupid all the time but If we're into this game, we have to deal with RNG. I'm into this speedrun for 3 years and I got a lot of rages but that's the essense of RE3.
And well.... Resets are part of speedrunning all the time so I'm changing that opinion and I want to keep the game without a mod BUT if anyone wants that project, they have to play it like a "fun" speedrun but not official in this leaderboard, like in RE2 with the cutscene skip mod.
Also @jakef1891 I didn't say "yes". I changed my opinion for: If you want this project do it but for fun but I don't want a new category in this leaderboard about this mod. NG+ misc run looks a better option for me right now. Also Dchaps is always doing something amazing in pc versions and like I said, if anyone want this project, do it for fun but not official.
No reason to ban SRT cause it only reads the memory from the game and you can still count it yourself in your head.
