@jakef1891 I'm pointing out that I as a runner can criticize how mods are doing things and that I care about it.
@Darazanjoll then i do apologize for my misunderstanding of what you said text can be very finicky
Whether someone is an active runner or not shouldn't matter. There are people talking in here right now that predated me in the Resident Evil community. Dara is one, and I wouldn't show him the disrespect of telling him he can't participate because he's not currently grinding the game as he was before. (I know Dara did a run recently, this is just an example)
Whether someone's last run is from a year ago or 2 weeks ago, it doesn't change the fact a lot of the old school runners formed this community before SRC was even a thing. These were the guys who practically routed the entire game, spent ages finding optimizations, and so on. They put a lot of their time into it.
To tell someone their opinion doesn't matter because of a latest run timestamp is ridiculous, and only helps to make this community seem worse than it is.
@jakef1891
Can see that your first run was 1 mouth ago so I'm assuming you wasnt here for the China drama where there was alot of criticism for the RE3 mods cause they never had an open discussion about adding china.
apology accepted.
again why i say that this thread is going nowhere and we are pointlessly arguing over something people are not going to budge over. the thread should be locked so the arguing can stop.
also @Dara i thankfully dodged that bullet but i get to read the follow up drama of the "current" fight over it
i would like to add. something like this happened in the DKC community where old runners who dont run anymore voices were valued more so then new runners even tho it was a majority vote the change was still refused just because of a handful of runners versus 80. i know that this exact situation isnt the same but older runners here seem to have more leverage then new runners. it should not be that way.
in hindsight a couple of us (me included) were wrong to try and exclude runners like furry and dara but it feels the same was happening to us but not on the same level. if something like this should happen again everyone should be equal.
@MoeMoe You completely missed the point of my post, go re-read it again. I posted it as an example of poor and horrible behaviour towards others if you can't see that then I have no other words for you.
Is this really going to devolve into "only people who are highly active runners should talk"? Let's have some discussion in here rather than what this has turned into.
I personally wouldn't dismiss someone's opinion based on their playtime or activity in the game. If you run the game, your viewpoint should be considered all the same.
I just think something like this shouldn't be handled hastily. DChaps has yet to give out the SRT, but once it's out there there is no going back then. If he can implement a feature similar to that mentioned earlier (a way to differentiate those who are using and who aren't) then bringing it in would be a far easier task.
So it's painfully obvious, everyone saying no are against it because it alters the game, they don't have anything against what the alteration itself does, since it's just removing a reset point.
@furrywulfz he doesnt want to release it unless we agree that its ok to use. if i may ask what exactly would we need in order to make this ok if not for any% but for its own category and i can ask him if these things are doable and to make a test build if applicable
also on a seperate note i have asked him if it would be possible to make save states a thing for the pc version (obviously with some kind of distinguishing factor) to make this game easier to practice. would people be interested in this?
Whether it would remove a harmless RNG or the entire game doesnt matter. It's the priciple and its the difference between TAS and RTA. The game was made to have that RNG and once you manipulate it then you're doing TAS and not RTA.
that is a rather big stretch to call removing a harmless rng the same thing as getting 4011, gl, safsprin, 1 change, hunters/dogs in park, good worm rng, water basement worms and high/empty. the latter would definitely be described as TAS but a change that makes a run continuable does not make a TAS its not a "time save" just an ability to run the game.
im at the point where i dont care either way but id rather be one to discuss peacefully as opposed to people yelling at each other
Principle, yes, that's the entire reason why most of the people who are against it are against it. It doesn't matter if it makes a ton of sense practically, it doesn't matter if there's nothing to lose and everything to gain, it doesn't matter if will literally double the appeal of the game to existing and new runners, it's against your principles so you will say no.
If you're going to make it a separate category, be sure to add a nemesis% grenade launcher category too.
@perviousnine we are not suggesting removing all rng which is not what we want at all. just the gl/magnum rng gone. there is still plenty of rng in the other 40 minutes of the game
TAS: Tool-assisted speedrun RTA: Real-time attack
There is only one or the other, there is no middle ground. You're not loosing any time, except in RTA cause of resets but not for IGT.
If this is an issue for certain runners who dont have alot of time for speedrunning RE3 or gets very frustrated then im sorry thats how the game was made and this is not a argument to manipulate the game to your own advantage (runner vs game). People should've picked another game if this is an issue and im saying that as peachfully and honestly as I can.
it absolutely loses igt if you sit there in reset. this game is based off of IGT yes? to simply say sorry but go speedrun another game if you dont want to deal with it is absolutely close minded. i love this game and have since it has came out to simply say go run another game is silly
also there absolutely is a "middle ground" there are speedgames out there that have allowed the use of mods they are still RTA not TAS
I'll take the RTA and IGT back, was supposed to continue on that but totally forgot what I was gonna write. E3.
So saying that people should pick another game becuase they dont like how it was made is close-minded. But changing the game with 3rd-party programs to your own favor (less resets) is ok?
TAS isnt just when you make a run frame by frame in an emulator but its also when you use external programs to change the game itself. RTA is the direct opposite where its only the runner and the game.
I am intrested thou, could you name me 1 game on SRC that allowed a 3rd party program to improve their luck or skill? I would like to find out why they did it and what they changed.
SONY on E3 now and bed after, later!
dishonored 1 modifies the .ini file heavily to allow for an fps based glitch to be achieved. saving around 30 secs if i remember correctly.
normally altering .ini's isnt a big thing but i mention this one because it alters things in the configuration that alter the game pretty significantly not a "mod" persay but it is still altering the game to do something that can not be obtained without it
its not to our "own favor" we arent asking for perfect rng just less resets that arent "just run magnum% dur dur dur"
It's not changing the game for our own favor, it's for everyone's favor, there's no downsides for anyone.
