We already have plenty of runs that were submitted to any% before the "zips" were found, so i think it's a good idea to create a different category for them and for new runners who haven't mastered zips yet.

Agree on zips and oob, and add to that:

• No animation interruptions (the ones that use batarang storage. Diverolling through explosions etc is fine, in my opinion).

Basically every run that is already on LB and was submitted before Akheon ruined the game should be moved to glitchless%, except:

• No trophies dupe (iirc well-known cheaters Jay and Cojo started using that somewhere late last year, maybe someone else too).

Personally, I wouldn't run this category - as was mentioned above, Scarecrow is brilliant in casual play, but it just feels really slow in a speedrun. Imo the run is much more interesting as there is almost no downtime at all.

Having said all that it's pretty clear that whatever falls into the glitchless category is going to be pretty arbitrary but it sounds very odd that you're considering including Bell Skip in that category given that it's the biggest skip in the game!

Low% (which has had interest in the past) forces you to complete Scarecrow 2 and was the go-to category for "glitchless" runs (since you also cannot collect/dupe trophies, and it would be useless if you did), however, that doesn't stop zipping so wouldn't prevent you from skipping Scarecrows 1 or 3. I think you need the Crypto range upgrade to skip the fights before Elevator Titan as well.

I would recommend a "no major skips/glitches" category, which would rule out all Storages and Zips as well as Bell Skip and Trophy duping. However, skipping fights / pred rooms should be allowed, if only because the game makes a very clear distinction between the fights that it expects you to complete and the ones that are optional. Also if you did ban fight skips, you'd have to define what a fight is. Is the group of goons you face in the corridor on the way to the Penitentiary a fight? What about the snipers? Are they not Silent Predator goons? What about the goons in the Medical Building right before the elevator down to Scarecrow 1?

As I said it's a category that I would have no interest in running myself but we've seen "glitchess" categories fail in other games plenty of times because of badly-defined rules and I don't want that to happen here, just my two cents :)

ahhh, i found you people again.

THIS is a topic im into. i LOVE asylum and city, think its cool what you guys have done, but personally, my buddy and i (we run, roughly 34-50 times a year) hate the OOB stuff, and the glitchy jumps, not a fan at all.

that being said, I would 100% support a nonglitch run category. to me, pretend you are actually batman does batman go through solid walls, no. so no OOB. can batman shoot a batarang threw floorboards, yes, so bell is in play. he could do that can batman glitch instantly across screen, no, hes a ninja, not a magician. so no glitchjumps. all other animation skips by like, b hammer, yes as in, shut up oracle normally i reset to skip ivy, but in a no glitch run, i would say no. thats a glitch, not batman being awesome. no mousebinding, because it instantly gives an advantage to pc, and suddenly 360 and ps3 runs are automatically slower. thats not cool. same with framerate adjusting. skips count if its something batman could do. just think of it that way.

ive got 1:50s all day long ready once this is a category, lol.

Most definitely it would be cool to see a glitchless category! I'm down for it

Added No Major Skips category, which a few runners were racing recently, hopefully they will submit their times. Rules are: no zips and no bell skip, which is basically the same as glitchless, depending on what you think on the last one.

woo! no major skip runs! now if this go%$^%#$ mail strike would end so i can get my capture card, myself and 2 others will begin to upload some sub 2 runs to challenge salzkorn's records