Hi, im the supermod that was asked to step in by star and id like to give my side of the story, i've speedran payday 2 for roughly and year and a half now and while that may not seem long ive clocked almost 3,000 hours just speedrunning the game (with 2800 before id started speed running and played the game on and off since shortly after release) and have been one of members pushing the game forwards in new glitches and strategy's.
Myself and other runners have had issue with the previous super mods transparency for a long time, they'd change rules without telling anyone was one of our biggest gripes, as well as in the past us having to beg for a vote on a glitchless category and then a few months later adding a new category with 0 input from the community.
In regards to the cheating accusations, nasuper informed me and i in tern, knowing pizza passed the accusations along as i felt as though if someone's being accused of something they have a right to know, pizza made a video in an attempt to prove these allegations false, as lag and network desync can cause some wacky stuff to happen in payday. nasupers purely using numbers here and as far as im aware has never attempted to recreate the claimed issue (the game lagging).
I also tested this with another runner to confirm as well as while yes i am friends with pizza im not going to defend someone purely off of that, here's the host perspective:
im irritated as i cant find my perspective to show that no cheat mods were used in an attempt to fudge the test (i redo this with both povs when irokwe is available as i have no clue how to cap my cpu). I even agreed with nasuper that the run was right to be rejected for being suspicious, the potential is there but it is not concreate enough to prove out right due to the run being coop, having game lag as well as potiental desync issues
Any time youve brought an issue to Rek, we have all taken it seriously and tryd to resolve the issue, you recently brought forward more accusations of one of the new supermods Arustik having a cheated run. I didnt simply ignore this claim, i looked into mods that might achieve what you claimed, i watched the video dozens of times and in the end i figured out the issue to be a video compression issue and you agreed with my conclusion, and even then i asked him for the raw footage of his run to make completely sure there was no funny business and provided you with a link to verify for yourself.
I am not a puppet and have taken my job very seriously since i was asked to step in, i asked you not to speak to me any more as you were trying to force me to reject and verify runs in an extremely hostile way, i didn't mean for this to be forever sorry if i didn't clarify that at the time.
hopefully i didn't miss any of your points
hello act_ ! here is nothing resolved because there are still 2 cheated runs! starsmiley means its all about an lag issue and she failed with this! when the host have a lag doesnt mean that the others cannot have also a lag and that shows the screenshot!
https://www.zupimages.net/viewer.php?id=23/32/sfsh.png
while on the left side both have already a weapon in hands is the one infront not finished! when they would have so much advance why they are not further in front? farer away? because the cheat of course!
the cheater send 2 proof videos for lag and i was already laughing when i saw the thumnail of this video, that already show me all! the cheater must show that he can get a weapon in hands BEFORE the interaction of the lobby host ends! and he failed!
you can see the white interaction circle in the middle fading and when you look in the left corner below you can see the interaction circle of luna going around his healthbar!
at this time he had in the other run already the weapon in hands!!! so he showed himself that even with this 3 second lag he created its not possible!!!
100% cheat without any doubt!!!
what they like to forget is my experience as mod is far away from them! i am the only one who ever run all levels solo and did at my peak 250 solo WRs, while noone else ever did 100 solo. and also i was the one who rewrote the rules 2 years ago, because the mods before were not able to with their low knowledge of their own rules before! i learned that when i started being verifier, and i recognized that only awake (the later supermod) is a professional mod.
starsmiley means there was a category deleted once, but it was a filter who has changed for the new rules from "gliched?" to "major skip?" that includes glitch and objective skipping. the cheaters lies are based on hiding informations! he dont tell starsmiley that he wasnt able to get the weapon in hands early enough to proof him right!
awake decided to make a vote for a new category called "glitchless" , so objective skips were there allowed again but glitch means reject and it was accepted by the community with 100%. the filter "glitched?" did not reject runs when was on "yes"! for the rules rewriting i needed 2 month with daily working on it, especially for the major skip rule i watched over 1000 runs from the 6000 back then to get an idea how the objectives are and what the objectives are, so i can see a skip. and after the rules were finished i had to look in ALL runs if there a skip happened or not. a massive work that iatezombies have no idea of! i only like that he is active and not like his other 6 mods he invited for mod farming!
starsmileys "sue" is also wrong! it was a talking from awake about showing privat messages and who did this was iatezombies. so why should awake sue then the cheater instead?
when new levels per dlc comes out they are added without any vote! you dont MUST run them! from time to time also special levels were added without a vote and this was what awake did! he added some special levels and announced it! that is the way since years, so when starsmiley means to change something at it, she is years too late!
i chosed after thinking about the glitchless category not to use it, so that new players have the chance to fill it. with my remove it changed and now i give iatezombie alot of work. so i can see if he is following the rules! and he failed! rejected some runs with wrong reasons because he still dont understand the rules fully or just ignore them. that happens when you place just someone as supermod in a 10 years old game with "91" levels in the leaderboard!
to meta: it was still 14th september you wrote you will look over all of this when you have some time!!! and it seems you never did!!!
i wrote much and i guess not all is clear when not knowing the game so you can ask for more details!
your removed supermod and worlds first of 2000 players in payday 2 since 3 years: NASUPER
I understand act_ that you realize that this here is not a short thing! But starsmiley was used here and get cheated! As i wrote above she did not had enough Details because the cheaters were hiding them! Is there a site staff rule like: when you did something wrong then let it be that way!
Meta says the threat Was closed with the removel and he is right, the cheaters won! What he dont see is, that i open a new threat because starsmiley decided wrong! So Meta should watch over the evidence i gave him. That he need time for is clear, we dont need a wrong decision again because rushing throu the evidence and understanding nothing. If something had come like " i have time next month , will you be there for maybe questions? " , then i would wait for it.
What you dont understand is the damage that happen by breaking the rules while waiting. The damage must be fixed later and this will not be your work then!
You're the one causing the damage by submitting 50+ of your old runs a day...
This thread is a fantastic reminder to not take everything that people say at face value. Regardless of how you feel about the current site owners they generally don't remove people as moderators for literally no reason or over minor misunderstandings, and anyone who claims otherwise is probably not telling you the whole story.
Hello shikennuggets! I was removed for literally no reason because of minor misunderstandings. When you would take time and read above, i proofed starsmiley in all points she wrote against me wrong. She ignored all of my writings that explain all and refused a discord voice chat with me!
And this is still ok for me, because i was allowed to write meta. He gave me the promise to look over it When having time. He also had the chance with voice chat, but both choose the long way by writing and then even not to read it!
So shikennuggets, tell me where i am wrong or see the truth that i am fully right here!
lol whatever you say dude
anyone who claims otherwise is probably not telling you the whole story
Probably time to lock this thread, no point in prolonging this nonsense. It's basically just your word against site staff's as far as anybody here can tell.