Mission Fail Skip Testing Thread
9 years ago

I made 2 videos,

the first one is about picking up the hospital tutorial via a replay made while picking up Misty (so you still have 2 police cars spawn at the precinct when you dupe&fail a mission)

and the second one is duping&failing "Triads and Tribulations", starting "Chaperone" with a rampage, I believe it's 10-20s faster minus setting up the rampage than top-level runs (10s compared to eidgod/vegeto 20s compared to omega/adam), but cutting the grass become much harder I think the best rampage to use would be the rocket rampage after starting Cipriani's Chauffeur, therefore not using it for Taking Out The Laundry but the shotgun one instead

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England

I went and timed death warp after Blow Fish w/o the tutorial. I saved a few seconds over Vegeto's run from mission passed to Salvatore's place, but there's more time to be saved because I got stuck on the bollard at Salvatore's place and I didn't implement Patrick_'s suggestion of 'trigger bomb very early, stand next to the vehicle when it explodes, run into the fire'

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Portugal

A perfect Taking out the Laundry started with a rocket launcher rampage is faster than duping + failing it. This means that In Gael's route you'd have to get another rampage that's not the rocket rampage, which shouldn't be a big deal.

edit:

Bangaranghun: i've tired your any% 3 vans rocket strats Bangaranghun: got softlocked later on cuz the rampage runs out during the pickup Bangaranghun: and then you finish it and start it again at the same time --> softlock

Duping it is.

England

So I just did a test run portland with fail & dupe 3vans and noticed that when I did bomb da base the grenades you're supposed to use for 3vans are still at 8balls. Pretty useless because soon in the run you'll visit ammunation anyway, but it is 10 free grenades.

Friesland, Netherlands

Bangaranghun: i've tired your any% 3 vans rocket strats Bangaranghun: got softlocked later on cuz the rampage runs out during the pickup Bangaranghun: and then you finish it and start it again at the same time --> softlock

Doesn't a cop car usually come driving up to you after doing the shooting during The Pick Up? How about you take that and start vigilante to disable the mission start marker?

Portugal

Game crashes when you activate Vigilante during the mission.

Friesland, Netherlands

Well that's a bummer then

England

I think for 3vans dupe it's best to get the shotgun rampage on the way St. Marks in mike lips, the alleyway it's in joins up with the road you use to get there anyway. The m16 rampage by Luigi's seems pretty far out from watching tenshots run

Portugal

Toyminator skip.

For comparison, Adam's PB has a 3:37 Toyminator, with his gold split being 2:00 (not sure how accurate this is). Toyminator in this video is a 1:33, with a sub-optimal rampage.

England

OK I thought I would make a written route of the new Portland for anyone confused:

Here's what you do differently:

(safe) During Luigi's Girls make a replay of the Hospital Tutorial as Misty is getting in the car. (The Hospital Tutorial is not there on the mission). You can activate it after you get the police car, this will mean that there will be 2 police cars when you death warp from Taking out the Laundry, so you have more chance of getting a police car. Make sure that you're in the police car fully and that it's away from the parking spot, otherwise it might despawn. You need to be in the general vicinity of the Hospital for it work. Optimally this might slower as you have to get out the car, but it does make getting a police car after Taking out the Laundry a lot more likely. Please see Gael's video on the top of page 2 for the video.

(risky) Instead of the above you can jump out of the hospital tutorial each time you die, see my video in the next post.

  1. During Mike Lips Last Lunch get a replay of this rampage (Shotgun primary location) - http://www.cheathappens.com/features/gta3/gta3_showscreen.asp?p=rampages-p61.jpg&r=x

You can drive your car down there on the way to St. Mark's Bistro

Alternative

Get the primary m16 rampage replay during Don't Spank My Bitch up. http://www.cheathappens.com/features/gta3/gta3_showscreen.asp?p=rampages-p31.jpg&r=x

Vegeto says that the first one is faster by a few seconds, though it is easier to get stuck or knock into something. It's worth mentioning that you can't use hospital replay strats with the second option.

  1. Using this rampage, you need the rampage timer running during Ciprani's Chauffeur, there a couple of possibilities here:

(not recommended)

Get 2 stars during Van Heist so you can steal a police car afterwards and rampage start Vigilante, you then disable Vigilante to turn off the mission on flag with the rampage still running. You can then just walk into the Ciprani's Chauffeur marker with the rampage timer running. This is good because you waste less time waiting for it to run out but it's risky because you might end up with a wanted start on Ciprani's Chauffeur and then you can't visit the Laundry. This problem can be avoided because there is a cop bride you can get by taking the ramps at the park in Chinatown, you have time because of the Rampage timer, but less time for taking another Rampage.

(Safe)

Rampage start Ciprani's Chauffeur

  1. Finish Cirprani's Chauffeur, the timer should still be running. Take 3 Vans, then take it again when the timer runs out. Kill your self, pray for a police car (see Powdinet's first post in the thread which is the second overall). Use the police car and shotgun to do The Pick-Up

  2. You need to make a replay of this rampage, it is the primary rocket rampage. http://www.cheathappens.com/features/gta3/gta3_showscreen.asp?p=rampages-p41.jpg&r=x

There's a few options here, the first 2 suggestions need to be done during step 3:

(a bit risky)

Use safe strat from step 3, and make it during Ciprani's Chauffeur. Use have about 10s of error time.

(safe)

Make it during Salvatore's Called a Meeting. This is slower than doing it on Ciprani's Chauffeur as on CC the rampage timer is going anyway, however it is a lot safer and if you get police star on CC you will be able to get the cop bride.

  1. Use that rampage to rampage start Chaperone.

  2. Make a replay of this rampage during Chaperone, it is the Secondary Rocket Rampage. http://www.cheathappens.com/features/gta3/gta3_showscreen.asp?p=rampages-p42.jpg&r=x Activate it as soon as the first rampage finishes during Chaperone.

  3. Finish Chaperone and start Cutting the Grass. The rampage timer should still be running. Pick-up this rampage http://www.cheathappens.com/features/gta3/gta3_showscreen.asp?p=rampages-p51.jpg&r=x - it is the primary AK rampage

Again a couple of options here:

(Risky)

Take the Mafia sentinal straight to the Rampage to activate as soon as possible and then get the taxi

(Safe)

Get Taxi first

  1. Finish Cutting the Grass and then pick up Triads and Tribulations before the timer runs out, wait for timer to run out and take T&T again. Kill yourself. Lack of weapons is not a problem so take anything for Blow Fish.

For steps 6-9 see Gael's video at the top of page 2.

  1. Death warp on Blow Fish. If you haven't yet activated the hospital tutorial because you're using the new strats, this one isn't worth it. Activate the bomb as you drive into the complex and it should go off as you get out the van. After the mission has ended try and burn yourself or just let the Triads shoot you. Take a car to Bomb Da Base. See Tenshotstv's pb for this.

00:30 Portland Hype TriHard

England

Shoutouts to Patrick for pointing out that this possible:

to do it spam S and jump

obviously this is faster than Gael's replay strats but it is also riskier. you can't do it after the Blow Fish death warp as it only works if you die on a mission, it will need to be timed what's fastest overall.

It only seems to work if you're on a mission

(I used dirty cheats to turn off on-mission flag)

Portugal

Gael talked to me today about the possibility of grabbing the M16 rampage during Cutting the Grass to dupe Under Surveillance, while still using the current strats to dupe T&T. This is obviously extremely risky, but I decided to see if it was possible.

It is. (Excuse my poor execution)

The M16 replay I made was slightly too short and the positioning was slightly off, but it could still be activated, so for purposes of the demonstration it doesn't really matter.

I made it just in time, and the replay made Curly glitch, just like Misty can glitch in Luigi's Girls.

Now for the Under Surveillance dupe. Since you're going to die to pass the mission, I skip all weapon pickups. After Paparazzi Purge the weapons you need are given to you: Grenades in Silence the Sneak, Rockets in Arms Shortage. The only problem is Liberator, but you can get M16 during Arms Shortage as well.

What I do is simple. Create a Rocket Rampage Replay at the second position, and go to the first position, where I wait until 40s (could wait 50s but I wanted to be safe) before Sal exits the club. Then I pick up the rampage, and finish the mission with rockets. Then I proceed with the dupe and kill myself. I misjudged the Banshee's health and ended up losing around 10 seconds having to drown. Then I rampage start Paramedic, and complete Paparazzi Purge with rockets. Then just proceed as usual.

In this video I start Last Requests at 00:10 in the video and start Pay Day for Ray at 7:43, with a Sayonara Salvatore start time of 19:35 -> 7:33 total Vegeto's PB starts Last Requests at 30:20 and ends at 37:49, with a Sayonara Salvatore start time of 10:42 -> 7:29 total

Considering I lost about 10 seconds failing to kill myself and I had to wait 7 more seconds in Sayonara Salvatore, I'd say at first glance that these strats are slightly faster. However, I think more testing should be done, preferably by someone with better execution than myself.

edit:

Vegeto uploaded a video of the complete route until now, up to the end of Arms Shortage

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Another setup for rampage starting Chaperone:

I sprint and jump inside the building and play the replay just as Claude is landing, while still holding sprint and W. Getting stuck in the air before the mission triggers like I did doesn't usually happen, but when it does you're still stuck after getting out of the car. You need to get back in and out again to break it.

Chivu's modified Chaperone Rampage Start:

Edit: R.I.P

But i'll just tell you, he uses the small bump to activate the mission faster.

Germany

Sorry, I didn't think it was relevant enough anymore after uploading it, so I decided to delete it, because what Guy explained in the last post was the only difference to Ractrot's video.

Let me just add, that it was less likely to get stuck in the air for me (still possible) than with Ractrot's setup, but it wasn't more consistent for me (mostly because it's easier to mess up the bump than mess up an actual jump), so I will still test/experiment more and (re)upload if i get it more consistently or have a better idea.

Edit: This is the setup I'm currently using:

Portugal

A different setup, using the patterns on the ground as a reference

"but it wasn't more consistent for me (mostly because it's easier to mess up the bump than mess up an actual jump), so I will still test/experiment more and (re)upload if i get it more consistently or have a better idea."

Hmm, I was thinking the same thing when I saw it for the first time, now it makes sense.

Here's a couple other setups:

The frame window for triggering the rampage isn't getting any bigger, so the trick isn't going to get any easier (it's pretty easy as it is). I prefer my jumping setup, but just find something that works for you I guess.

Latvia

can someone do like a tutorial run and explain mission fail skips and where to make save etc. i Saw vegetos run and dont understand couple thing where he made a replay in an empty alley. I suppose there is a rampage or smth. ;d

Germany

Yes, when he stops seamingly randomly, that's where a rampage is - it is hidden, since he's on a mission. You need to know how long missions take you so that you can time the rampage start in a way that the time runs out after starting the mission you want to skip. As you are just learning the game, you cannot do that. Well, you could plan to have the time run out 20s after starting the mission... It's complicated, worry about it yourself and plan yourself. :D It only saves minor time, so I wouldn't bother. :D

I had said a long time ago that I wanted to write a post comparing my route with the one mamamia described. I forgot if there's a difference between the route in the video and that one, but the former smashed my entire route. :D

Evidence Dash bribe replay: I suggest trying to do a replay of the bribe on the way to Phil or to the pay phone in the North: [url]https://www.dropbox.com/s/z23ocgf3vcepoj9/bandicam%202014-12-21%2014-04-55-344.jpg?dl=0[/iurl] Getting that one at full speed in Arms Shortage would be spectacular. :D It's probably much more sane to get it in Payday for Ray, though.

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