Hey everyone-

So early on in the game's lifespan on speedrun.com, doorskip was called for separation because it was a mod.

A while later, it was voted back in.

Now that it's voted back in (and frankly, I think that running the game with doors is pretty pointless when we have a mod that allows for skipping doors altogether without any kind of real error) should we merge the categories?

In my opinion, the only thing really detrimental could be runners using SSD vs. HDD, but I think the only thing really making non-doorskip runs unpopular is simply the fact it's still treated like a mod when all it's doing is removing an annoying animation you have to sit through. Most everyone's HDDs and load the game fast enough by now to make any SSD shit a non-issue.

Tactically, there's no real advantages either aside from resetting rooms to get certain zombies out of the way (which costs an upward of 7 seconds anyway each) but optimally you wouldn't even bother.

Thoughts? Personally I think it would make the boards a lot cleaner and encourage people who are turned off by door animations to run the game with the mod if it were to become the "default category".

If everyone thinks it should be separated, can we discuss the idea of moving Doorskip to being the default category? Because it's literally the same route for everything.

I don't like the idea of merging a modded and non-modded version of any game, personally. (It essentially nukes the non-modded version of the game imo)

Doorskip is a 3rd party tool which would, in my opinion, make it a tool-assisted run, doesn't matter to me that it's only to skip a fixed animation. I would say the same for item and health displays too but those are so minor I just don't care. I've literally only just returned to speedrunning a couple weeks ago, and am making good progress in this game, so I'd be really disappointed to see to see them merged or see a modded version as the default category for any game. Lack of NTSC hardware is making playing other games an issue I'm in the process of solving, so I'd be a little bit annoyed if this games default category was upended just as I'm getting into it.

By default my opinion will always be that games should always be run in their original, unmodified form, with exception for controller mapping for accessibility. Messing with config files to fix anything other than crashes should be a no-no, let alone full-on custom patches and memory-watchers. This is also why I've ordered a physical PS1 copy of Resi 2 for running, because I have an inherent distaste for the modified PC version, not to be rude just to explain my somewhat jaded viewpoint, but I simply don't view it as legitimate.

Also purely from a selfish point of view, my memory is fricking terrible and I use those animations to try and remember what's coming next :P

I'll play whatever, it's only doorskip mod after-all. But if I had to vote, it would be against merging and against making it the default category.

I don't know how much HDD/SSD affects this game either, I haven't looked into it and tbh, I don't have enough time to devote that fractions of seconds would put me off running, but my PC is quite old now, and I won't be building a new one anytime soon. So again, even if it's tiny fractions of seconds most likely, it still would be a disadvantage for anybody without an SSD who would care about those small differences. ResiHD isn't exactly a high-end game, either, so I don't know if people around here are running it on super computers or potatoes.

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Out of interest. Is the source code for Doorskip mod available? I think it should be open if people want to make it the default category. Because, if it's the default category people should be able to see precisely what it's doing.

Another reason why they are separated is because remapping to skate with the Ps4 controllers analog is legal in DS only. I think they should remain separated, but if for whatever reason the majority of this community wants DS to be merged, then it is what it is. Remapping controls must be banned completely though.

My view is to still just keep them separated. I mean, the only current drawback is an additional tab, like, I don't see that as a big deal myself.

My main issue with this merger is it destroys the rankings. Like I know Pess', Derps' and Lileya's Jill Any% non-doorskip times are flat out the best Jill times on the PC board, regardless of doorskip. So, it feels silly for them to have to optimize their times, again, to regain their places when the timesave is basically on a technicality.

People who wanna run doorskip currently can. Like there really isn't anything stopping them. There's also the problem, like Pess said above, in that most players of DS mapped run to the analog making stair skating much easier. Those runs would have to be removed.

Whether or not it's made the default category, I'm not bothered. Either way works.

What Pessimism said. Some people wanted to be allowed to remap buttons on their controller, mostly for analog stair skating. Remapping is not allowed in vanilla categories. I'd have to agree that it should remain seperated.

People actually voted for this. The whole story is here:

https://www.speedrun.com/remake_hd/thread/v2thw

Any game that's on SRC should have atleast a category meant for the original release of the game i.e how it was supposed to be played. Replacing/Merging categories that allows multible 3rd party programs will eventually be catastrofic.

Fair enough on the stairskating point. I actually didn’t know that when DS was allowed back that people agreed remapping to analog should be allowed. Shows you how little I’ve paid attention. That being said, a merger is too blunt of a method. Personally I would wish for more people to run doorskip though because I think shorter run and less time spent waiting = more incentive for new people to try.

I would think the best way to encourage it is to make it the “default” category people see on the landing page. What is everyone’s thoughts on that? I mean essentially nothing would change on the leaderboards, ruling, or times, just the default view would be doorskip.

Also @The_A_Drain, PAL60 is literally the same as NTSC, and all PS4/XB1 runs are exactly the same timing. PAL50 is only in speed/timer conversion in the PS1 games as well as the GCN ports of RE2,3, and CVX. You are not running out of options. Literally any version of REmake will be able to compete. GCN/Wii must be set to 60hz mode though.

This is off-topic now so, apologies. But the point was in reference to lack of pal categories making other games a pain in the ass, hence why I'm running this one mostly at the moment, bypasses all of that as it's on PC and HDMI-enabled consoles. Don't even need to hookup a capture card, just boot xsplit/obs and go.

For reference, I don't know if you've used much PAL hardware but the main issues are that PS1 and SNES games do not support 60Hz at all in Europe. So if a game does have any differences (which is any game times by RTA for sure, and quite a lot have glitches/tricks that won't work on PAL or only work on PAL) the runner's gotta import it and the correct hardware to play it if PAL isn't allowed or maintained as a separate category. On-top of that, it can sometimes be a pain in the ass for PS2, XBOX, GameCube, Dreamcast (bypassable with VGA) and Wii, depending on your specific hardware setup. When you boot the game, it'll be in 50Hz mode if it's a native PAL game, and when you switch it to 60Hz, this freaks out a lot of capture cards. Mine, will do one of 3 things when that switch happens: work perfectly (?!?!), corrupt my driver installation so that I have to uninstall and reinstall it, or bluescreen my PC. I literally have to just pray it works. It's not some unknown card either, it's an Avermedia device. So even if you can use your native PAL games, it can still come with issues, issues that can be unique to each individual setup which is even more of a pain in terms of being able to help other people out with them.

All of these problems can be solved, sure. Just takes money, mainly. But I disagree that PAL60 is the same as NTSC60, it might be once you get the game working :P but getting to that point can be a costly pain in the ass.

For example: took me 2 hours of reinstalling capture card drivers and trying the different inputs available to me to get Clock Tower 3 to record past the 60Hz switchover from my PAL version. I honestly thought the card had finally given up and fried itself.

Back on-topic again: purely personal preference but I couldn't vote for a modded version of a game being default over the un-modded version. But I wouldn't have an issue if it ended up that way because as you said, it's a quicker version which isn't a bad thing at all.

I do agree making doorskip the 'main' category would probably encourage runners to participate more. The doors in this game are just a literal waste of actual time.

On the subject of PAL categories, there really isn't ever any point in making them. Almost no-one wants to run PAL. The only real trouble console, additionally, is the PS1/2. Gamecube has Freeloader Boot discs that will let you play imports very easily, Dreamcast already runs at 60hz for most games, and so on.

Your best bet is to just buy a good SD capture card and stick with that for SD games. Two of the cheapest, and best cards on the market are the eZCap and the GV-USB2. Take note if you buy eZCap to only buy from their official website. Most models found on Amazon and reseller sites are all fakes.

@The_A_Drain Yes, I have played plenty of PAL games because I have a full RGB capture setup and I know each output of each game on each console by looking at it. Nintendo consoles do some fucky shit when you play NTSC and PAL on their opposite regions (PAL NES/SNES games overclock on NTSC consoles), but PlayStation and PS2 games output the resolution/refresh based on the game. Your CT3 is Interlaced video, no matter what the region. It would run the exact same video output on my NTSC console because it forces video output depending on preset modes that every PS2 console is capable of. What you can play depends on your display and your capture card. Many PAL SCART TVs actually have a 60hz mode that accepts NTSC resolution/refresh spec. I went to Sweden and saw an MMX runner playing it on his consumer TV no problem.

PAL50 cannot compete with PAL60 or NTSC, but I guarantee you PAL60 and NTSC run with the same speed and time conversion for REmake. Also, your Avermedia card only accepts 480p60 (or probably 525p60) minimum because it wasn’t designed for old consoles. Old PAL 50hz games run at 262p50 or 525i25 which means they don’t work with your capture card. Yours is designed for HDMI. Buy a dedicated SD capture card. I have competed NTSC vs PAL60 on GCN/Wii and there is no difference. Not that it matters, because current gen consoles threw that complicated bullshit out the window by putting up a global standard with HDMI.

That being said, please make a different thread. Your problem doesn’t matter in the context of this thread.

I would keep the two separated due to the discussion that took place reinstating doorskip. There's too many good runs on the vanilla game that would end up being overshadowed by time alone if you're not using filters to separate it from doorskip. Anyone could put up a run and it'd appear as a higher ranking time against the vanilla runs which is misleading. It's easier to visually scan with the current format even if it is a mess. There's also the possibility of losing runners based on the remapping rule alone, because it'd have to be abolished if a merge were to happen.

I also disagree with making the DS boards the first thing people see. Vanilla boards should always be first as they don’t have a 3rd party tool affecting the game. It takes 2 seconds for people to click on the doorskip tab and the doorskip times are not as optimized as vanilla.

I agree with Pessimism. The first category that should be seen shouldn't be DS, out of respect for the original category.

Alright, I'll just lock the thread so to force it to the bottom. All valid points. But when can we actually see some people running Doorskip? :(

I see all the active runners running not-doorskip and it just kinda continues the status quo instead of seeing some optimization under faster settings. I know I shouldn't base a moderation suggestion based on a complaint, but whatevs. I'll go play in the corner. :<