More Categories?
4 years ago
Lanark, Scotland

What's the likelihood of more categories? I would like to run this game but I only have it on PS4 and would only be interested in a glitchless run but it seems like PC and console aren't separated which would mean that console players would immediately be at a disadvantage due to load times etc.

Reavez likes this
Belgium

Always found this should happen straight away. PC vs Console will most of the time be an unfair board to begin with. Also adding a couple more like glitchless and hardest difficulty wouldnt be too bad either since it might attract more runners.

MrDweirdo likes this
Michigan, USA

1: This is still early in this game's life in terms of speedrunning, so early that PC runs don't even have a working load remover. Once one of those exists, console runners will be able to manually calculate the loading times in their runs and subtract it from the final time, at which point there will be no advantage whatsoever to running on PC versus console in terms of loading time. This is very common among many speedrunning communities. Also worth mentioning, modern consoles can have SSDs installed in them which already largely negates loading time advantages from PCs.

2: There is no point in adding a new category for hardest difficulty unless the strategies for it are significantly different, but currently they are not; you still run past pretty much every enemy, and the boss fights are all the same but with slightly more HP. If you had joined the speedrunning community discord (https://discord.gg/7hZ2KyS), you would have seen that this topic has already been brought up, as has glitchless - multiple times.

I see none of you have been around speedrunning for very long, you can trust that the moderators for this game have all been in various speedrunning communities for a very long time, and we know what we're doing.

texan_red_wolf likes this
Lanark, Scotland

I mean, to say none of us have been around speedrunning for very long is kinda a poor attitude to take and a pretty unfair assumption . Many of us have been around speedrunning for a long time which is why we expect these basic categories. Most speedrunning boards I've seen immediately separate console from PC, not only because of load times but controller vs keyboard and mouse etc. To me it's basic and I don't get why it seems to be such an issue. But that's fine, I'll just run something with a better handled leaderboard, I guess.

Reavez likes this
Michigan, USA

To reiterate the part where I directly answered your concerns: This is still early in this game's life in terms of speedrunning, so early that PC runs don't even have a working load remover. Once one of those exists, console runners will be able to manually calculate the loading times in their runs and subtract it from the final time, at which point there will be no advantage whatsoever to running on PC versus console in terms of loading time. This is very common among many speedrunning communities. Also worth mentioning, modern consoles can have SSDs installed in them which already largely negates loading time advantages from PCs.

Additionally, you mention keyboard and mouse being an advantage, but there is no evidence to support that with this game as the majority of top runs have been performed with a controller, regardless of platform.

And to add a third point, separate leaderboards for Console/PC are not "basic", many games do not separate them. Examples: https://www.speedrun.com/d2016 https://www.speedrun.com/prey2017 https://www.speedrun.com/ds1 The main reason that Console/PC get separated is when there are tricks/glitches that only work on one of those platforms, which is currently not the case for this game.

New categories are created based on need, not expectation, and the available evidence about this game does not currently suggest that there is a need.

Your stance that the moderators are mishandling the leaderboard because we haven't automatically given you new categories, and the thought that we don't consider whether or not those categories are warranted is also a kinda poor attitude to take and a pretty unfair assumption.

Imperg likes this
Belgium

Some boards do, some boards don't and in the end mods and the community decide on this, talk about it and people just have to respect it and decide wether they wanna run said game. Lets not forget this was a question asked which is perfectly fine.

But the comment "I see none of you have been around speedrunning for very long" was def not needed. Especially considering this is text and this came across as rather elitist which hopefully wasnt the case but still :)

Edit: As for having the convo wether or not console and pc has to be split up. My opinion is yes cus an ssd on ps4 while better will still not be the same as a pc when it comes to load times. Not to mention this pretty much forces people that are somewhat serious about the run to already look into aquirring one (i play pc so doesnt apply to me but still). Also target lock jump, pretty important trick in the run while possible on both, it is easier on pc due to frames. So wouldnt that be another bit of advantage a pc has over console?

Edited by the author 4 years ago
MrDweirdo likes this