I have a real problem with this policy; because it's basically a policy that allows your mods/algorithms the ability to ban someone with absolutely zero ability for a regular user to appeal. How is a person exactly supposed to appeal a ban for which they have no clue for which they've been banned? They don't even know where to begin. Then they have to trust this arbitrary appeal process and pray that the other person cares about their concerns enough to actually dig through all of this and figure it all out on their own, because the person in question has no idea why they're banned in the first place so probably cannot provide a very strong defense of their situation.

It really just seems like an easy way to set a site up in a way to run as best you can with as little staff as possible assisting your actual userbase, and to heck with the few who get unlucky and fall through the cracks because you do have at least this little tiny appeal mechanism (of which a person will only hear back about IF your team deems their appeal one they even want to take up, the rest left in the lurch) you can use if a big fish falls into the net and enough users start complaining about them being caught up. Then you can rally the team to rectify the situation to remove the ban and give the illusion the appeals process works. Most of us will not have that luxury though, we will fall through the cracks.

Also, you can't tell a person why they're personally banned for "privacy" reasons? That doesn't even make sense. That's the user it's affecting, you're not giving them anyone else's personal information you're giving them their own personal information. So there's no concern there.

All of this could be rectified extremely easily with just a little bit of communication to your users. Tell them why they're banned, tell them if their appeal is accepted OR not, and tell them if/why their ban is upheld or not. It's not a lot.

Edit: Fixed autocorrects

6 pages! All because someone refused to accept that they may not deserve the validation for a youtube subject line change from months ago, and his gallant knight swooping in for the virtue signal.

Everyone knows what the Streisand Effect is by now, why do we keep making these same mistakes?

A person who "wants a thread to end by page 2" usually quits responding to posts irrelevant to the topic at hand. How did this get 5 pages long? Probably because some of the comments expressed hit a chord. Even a teenager understands internet philosophy, I'm parent to two of the things; and I'm confident in saying they can make their point and get out before demanding other people perform sex acts.

My two cents...lol this is 5 pages!

Seems like they did respond. They changed the rules on the site :) so now no discrepancy. In all fairness they probably agreed to make the change long ago but never updated the rules.

Or you could have not posted anything in here and he would have corrected it himself anyway when he got around to it. Self-fulfilling prophecy methinks.

Exactly Wal; because a full-time streamer, youtuber, and speedrunner not going out of his way to immediately drop everything he's doing to edit the subject line of a past youtube video to protect the sensibilities of a random speedrun viewer is definitely an "ethical issue" we need to demand be fulfilled at anytime this happens in the future :D

Permabans, in all but the most extreme examples, are crazy stupid in my opinion. Theres plenty of stupid kids who could get edgy and float close to the line one too many times in their teens or even an established player who could have one incredibly bad day where everything goes against them so they make an off-hand remark without thinking; but we're supposed to believe these people aren't capable of maturing into their 20s or understanding the error in their ways at any point in their future existence?

That's insanity, and not how a vast majority of human beings work.

^Fair^

Yeah its generally better to use a timeout, especially when you're building and maintaining a solid and cohesive community. Everyone can have a bad day, even @Delekates, but that doesn't mean they're beyond redemption most times. So the site may remove someone creeping into toxicity for a week and when they come back they're normally more tactful from then on.

If you just ban everyone perma, anytime they ever make a mistake, then the only ones who'll never get banned are the mods and their buddies who are above the rules; which should go without saying: is not a way to build a strong and cohesive community.

They say the highest form of flattery is impersonation. So...SS, you feeling flattered? :)

@Delekates lmao

Or maybe he's a super god mode OP with no vulnerabilities, save for two: truth and common sense. Unfortunately for him those both got rained on him, and quick.

Starting to doubt the resolve of OP...

I pray this is a middle-school assignment. I reads like something my 7th grader would write out to his friends as a joke and then show to me expecting approval and then I have to put on a smile and suppress my inner uncomfortability and grandpadom..

Meh, it doesn't really matter the grade level, I'll just grade this a solid "C" for "Cringe".

@garsh yeppppppppppppp

Nah he's miles from here with his tail between his legs by now (go ahead, surprise me OP) @Walgrey

Mods have 3 weeks to approve/reject runs, how long ago did you send them in?

Gotta feeling this isn't gonna end well for OP. You don't just grab the loudspeaker and start yelling about things with zero video evidence/proof of your accusations; especially before you've even reached out to that game mod/runner of the game. You're implicating and demanding the BANNING of people you've never met over a subjective opinion you personally share (with no direct evidence). Seriously sleazy move.

If you're wrong (and you're probably wrong), you better man up and eat your crow.

Communication definitely needs major work, and being rude shouldn't get you banned. People are often less than tactful when they have a complaint (legitimate or otherwise), and are upset. People need to be able to voice those complaints with at least some conviction, or how is anyone to know how badly the issue is truly bothering the person?

That doesn't mean you need to be a nag (OP) and constantly emailing/tweeting/dm'ing mods/elo/etc; but we should reasonably expect to feel we're getting some feedback and response with legitimate complaints, especially when it is involving major changes and bugs caused by those changes.

Edit: fixing autocorrects

Meh, just downloaded Brave....this is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much better!