Unless I'm stupid, there weren't any new spawns during the camera trick except for at the freeway intersection. The car at the very end probably spawned after the crash.

All of the demos were on "streights"(no sharp turns), so I'm waiting for the 1h version.

My first idea for the execution is an external trackpad turned 90 degrees with insane sensitivity. If the trick is indeed useful for the whole run then you destroy some part of your anatomy no matter what in the long-term.

Oh, so you are worried it's going to ruin SA running? Hmm, Josh is probably going to share this, he values information being available over feelings. You might as well just share it now

The replay/hold-tab doesn't work for anything but calls, I presume? Edit that into the text please.^^ Properties,sub-missions, etc.

If it does, you can buy a property and start a mission simultaneously. Would.be interesting. Or you could go into a property marker, hold tab, get on a cop bike, get off, start the submission with the look back button during the get-off-animation and buy the property by letting go off tab afterwards.

Thanks for the link. :) I tried to add you on Steam, I had problems, I don't actually use Steam (and am not on my PC, no admin priviledges).

Bastant2: I do not understand why woox chose to wait until making it fully public, but I respect his will.

Can you please enlighten us? I can't wait! :D It's about (1)probably (2)consistently (works every time) and (3)easily (without practicing the trick) (4) toggling the spawning of traffic (5) both on and off? Which of these numbers are correct/false?

Thanks for the elaborate response ryedawg, I didn't hope for that.^^ I'm satisfied with the input for the start, seams like V is only decent for running and therefore I doubt I will run it for a long time.

Stress due to time loss: SA seams much worse due to lack of checkpoints. The run killers listed don't seam too bad. Traffic: 1/5, but I'll see how much the in-mission-scripting helps. RNG: low end of acceptable all still acceptable, the biggest problem is: too much boring/"slow down, let me hold your hand" bullshit

Less tricks/glitches for PC? >95% of the gta community (non-GTAV) is using PC. The percentage of game breakers on PC lower than that, but still.

I want to know if I should be eager to try running the game semi-caually (1h slower than WR). Answer from that perspective of a decent speedrunner, please. Copy/paste this and fill in the blanks. 1-5 scale (5 is very good or "very bearable bullshit") or own words general "interestingness": traffic bullshit (like unpredictable turning into you): guess: run time variance purely due to luck (e.g.: good luck: 8h, bad luck 7:40 -> 20 minutes): stress factor: how often does it happen that I am stressed that one mistake now costs 5 min (none, just quick save every 30s?):

Other stuff I should know? Thanks for posting. :)

You're welcome. :) I took the saves from multiple sources and used a save game converter (32bit only). I'm done now, the Verdant and post-Flight school saves are in there. I was sloppy, hence the crashes. Can you please confirm that they work? Then the link can go to the resources. Thank you. https://www.dropbox.com/s/hi213zxq2nyuv0i/practice_saves.zip?dl=1

These should do it: for segment practice, right weapons and stats, v1/v2/old steam version I put some work in converting and adapting the stats, so, mods, please add the link to the resource section as soon as the v1 saves are confirmed to work, with the description. I could not test the V1 saves, give me feedback please.

other sources for saves every mission, v1, one zip file https://forum.speeddemosarchive.com/attachment/IF0bziRz8CApU9GQEEbSu4QEg%2Fk

every mission, v1/v2 compatible, one save game per link. http://gtaforums.com/topic/356192-all-pc-game-missions-save-files/

I'd like to get an invitation, too. Thanks in advance. :) Patrick_SDA

Estimate: 15h of resetting. :D Well, 1) bind sprint to a different button and put an object on it, 2) bind "get in" to somthing you can't reach without moving your left hand; moving your left hand back into position and accelerating isn't in "muscle memory". 3) unbind switching weapons from the mouse wheel. Switching using q/e isn't in muscle memory. Participants have to run SKeys to prove they aren't using these tricks. :D

Thanks for the info and time stamp. I wanted to check but can't watch/dl it (legally :D).

Yes, when he stops seamingly randomly, that's where a rampage is - it is hidden, since he's on a mission. You need to know how long missions take you so that you can time the rampage start in a way that the time runs out after starting the mission you want to skip. As you are just learning the game, you cannot do that. Well, you could plan to have the time run out 20s after starting the mission... It's complicated, worry about it yourself and plan yourself. :D It only saves minor time, so I wouldn't bother. :D

I had said a long time ago that I wanted to write a post comparing my route with the one mamamia described. I forgot if there's a difference between the route in the video and that one, but the former smashed my entire route. :D

Evidence Dash bribe replay: I suggest trying to do a replay of the bribe on the way to Phil or to the pay phone in the North: [url]https://www.dropbox.com/s/z23ocgf3vcepoj9/bandicam%202014-12-21%2014-04-55-344.jpg?dl=0[/iurl] Getting that one at full speed in Arms Shortage would be spectacular. :D It's probably much more sane to get it in Payday for Ray, though.

There's a TL;DR one-paragraph-version, jump to the 'short format' (third paragraph)

I wondered about the question (100% on the 28th) and answered it myself. I am sharing it for the curious. the @ signs are cry babies, i.e. I don't know and cannot know how long these take to do without a lot of work. ;) the format is Thing How many levels (time to do it in minutes)

short format: story missions: ~7:00 (1h of which non-any%) TAB-Missions: 1:50 other driving stuff (assets, races, challenges, Stadium, schools): 3:25 export/collectables/properties : 1:30 in total (this is a guess, don’t count on it)

-Collectables (1:20@@) -- Tags (~30@) -- Snapshots (~10@@@) -- Horseshoes (~15@@@) -- Oysters (~25@@@)

-TAB-missions (1:48): -- taxi (50 fares) (40@@) -- vigilante 12lv (5) -- firefighter 12lv (9) -- pimping 10lv (15) -- Paramedic 12lv (18) -- Freight 2lv (18)

-Schools (26) -- driving (5) -- boat (5) -- bike (3) -- flight (13)

-Driving Missions (1:21):

-- Races (1:00) ---- LS (17) ---- Bad Lands (bicycle) (13) ---- SF (20) ---- LV (10) -- Challenges (0:03?) ---- BMX (1) ---- NRG (2?) -- Stadium (18) ---- LS (8-track) (5) ---- SF (chaos ;)) (3 (random? ;))) ---- LV (parkour/dirt track race) (10)

Flying Missions (20): -- School (13, already counted) -- LV airport checkpoint charlie (20)

Other (15) -- Gym Moves (~5??) -- Ammu-Nation Challenges (10)

Assets (1:38) -- Trucking 8 (32) -- Valet 5 (11) -- Quarry 7 (22) -- Courier (33) -- LS (bicycle) 1 -- SF (heavy bike) 9 -- LV (Faggio) 8

Export (3 Lists) (if I know about this, I won’t participate in the race, I’ll better stay ignorant. :D)

Missions (1:01) -- Cesar (10) -- Zero (12) -- Heist (39)

Afaik, no detailed guides or posts were published on this. NEither keybindings nor version differences. I have read the whole SDA thread and everything here in /gtasa/forum and there's no guide that looks like it should obviously include it.

If you have many mouse buttons, use those as alternative for many of these bindings.^^ My mouse only has two buttons.

First, some controversial stuff. If you are undecided on the sprint button: it has relevance for sliding(with the fast method where you press all the buttons rapidly after each other): C,W,shift,aim is easier than C,W,Space,aim. C,W,Shift is pressing keys right-to-left, C,W,Space is a bit harder to time right. Try it right now. ^^

Mouse-Wheel for slight steering: driving in the middle of the road helps lessen the problem of cars spawning right in front of you, and that is easier to do by doing the minor adjustments with the mouse wheel since each 'mouse wheel step' [right word?] acts like a very short tap on the keyboard.

The camera is horrible when turning, which can make flying a pain sometimes(wsad/arrow keys -> no mouse). However, you can fly with the left hand on the keyboard and the right hand on the mouse: use 'extra mouse buttons' (buttons in addition to Left/Right) for flying up and down. Requires getting used to. Alternative: using mouse steering, there's a 'mouse look' button (forgot which one) to use for looking arround.

less controversial stuff: leaning up/down: down for driving faster, up for faster turning (useful at low speeds for parking into the right direction and a bit for its intended use (e.g.20s into the run) up: CapsLock down: Left Mouse

Alt/shift or mouse13/14 (your mouses may vary ;)) instead of Num8/Num2 for the military plane (fly/hover) and the fork lift(up/down) - again, because of the camera

horn and levelling heli - ^ maybe? you can also just use Num5 or something and give up the mouse for these - you need the horn for Wear Flowers in your Hair while parking and turning at the same time

TAB for sub-missions and putting the wheels out inside planes

No responses ... I understand that as consensus that it should be allowed. I am going to upload a layout.

There's a contradiction: The rules were updated ("frame limiter on"), 30 fps submissions are still possible.

1. Gang war cancelling: During the "getting-off-the-bike-animation", the look back button does not look back but acts like the sub-mission button. -> get off the bike, immediately after, press look-back, a bit later press it again. As soon as you have it in muscle memory, you can focus on using the time that the aninmation takes to aim at the enemy groups while getting off, as well.

2. cancelling the putting the phone away animation with the landing animation: it only works if you land after the putting away animation has started. a) After Monster, climb the bannister right next to where the marker is going to be, after the talking starts, walk off it. [the landing animation cancels the "after-call-animation"] b)After "Cesar Vialpando" This has audio commentary :) Although it's a bit harder than I thought, practice will make it easy. Medium Quality (3MB) | Very Low Quality (600K) E: the reason I was high ;) at the start was - "let's try this again :D" - that it took me a bunch of times to satisfy my standards. Also, "timing" was the wrong word, in an actual run you need to wait for the call to come in. Better put: You have to stand in the right place when you take it.

c) After Don Peyote: not sure, probably it's better to look for sports cars

d/e/f) You can jump onto the roof of your car or on top of your bike and then walk down, it causes a short landing animation: Loc's Party call Woozie race call first call after Los Desesperados (not copying R¤s Spanish mistake ;D) It probably saves time, need to check though g?) Maybe there is a mission (1) starting with a call (2) spawning you on top of your car if you parked it where you spawn after the cut-scene. Yay-Ka-Boom-Boom?

3. 100%: train your muscles by running in a couple of waiting times: examples:

• after Badlands races
• Against All Odds after "activating" the satchels - run against the wall until the cutscene starts
• The Green Sabre: after getting out of Cesar's car before the cut-scene

4. You can despawn boats like cars, I haven't had a new boat spawn when camera twitching, yet.
5. Using camera twitching when looking for specific/decent cars: examples

• for bust warping
• in Madd Dogg's Rhymes on the bicycle
• in Snail Trail

That's not uncontroversial, using tools feels different than using what is already there.We'd need community consensus that it's allowed.

Edit: seams like a bit of work to set up, if you feel hesitant: think back to the runs this bullshit has destroyed. Do it vividly. ;)

This whole post is old info, but I want everyone to know about it, so I repeat it here: The cheat DDDDDDDAAAAAADWD is 9 times more likely to be entered accidentally than any other WASD-cheat combined. It's as if WASD were designed for activating that cheat. ;)

The solution is to use a different keyboard layout that does not have an easy to enter cheat code: The "Dvorak, left handed" layout is 10 times less likely to activate a cheat than the conventional layout, according to Nixixix' simulations.

You can set it up in a way that you only use the "Dvorak...left" layout when you want to - i.e. when playing the game. How to do it? well, system languages differ, but I'll try, I use Windows 7. Windows 8 users: read 4) in my instructions, try to do the same in your OS , use this tutorial for the rest: http://www.howtogeek.com/121169/how-to-change-your-keyboard-layout-in-windows-8/

1)Windows button on the keyboard -> enter "language" -> click "region and language" 2)on top of that window, click "keyboards and languages", then "change keyboards" 3)"add" -> English (USA) -> Dvorak....left.... -> OK 4)on top of the window: advanced settings -> on bottom of the window: change hotkeys -> unless you normally use a USA layout, set the hotkey "change input language" to sth. like "CTRL+Shift"

Since your default layout has not changed (you only added one), you have to press CTRL+Shift ingame to switch to "Dvorak...left" and that will only affect your layout ingame, nowhere else, afaik.

Now, adapt your control settings.^^