@FurryWulfz: Mods that have been inactive for a long time. Like not done verifications, joining in discussions or just been offline on SRC.

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Could you please de-mod some supermods for http://www.speedrun.com/re2 ? Srwatcher, Pyman and Sephjul. These guys have been inactive between 1 week to 3 months. Messages was sent to them over a week ago without any response.

2 mods have already been added for replacements.

Thanks.

@Furry: I remember that GrowthKasei had this problem. His pickups in his Leon A run has low framerate:

@zenix That's a good point.

Physical Disc/Digital was a bad word for it cause using a disc on emulator would still fall under emulator.

@zenix No it doesn't. If it did then emulator could also be listed with the disc runs without anything to separate them. Difference is that PS disc is physical where PSN/Emu isn't.

By that one could argue that PSN (PS3 & PSP) + PS Emu could share the same board. I haven't really put much thought into it.

So in 2 months we went from this: https://s13.postimg.org/yie3j7ozb/GC_Leon_A.png

To this: https://i.gyazo.com/ab58a4100236ac3e6988350289f735ba.jpg

I dont think anyone will disagree when I say that it used to look alot better. Board was setup so each category was based on the game and not the hardware to minimize the amount of boards and it would be ridiculous to suggest the opposite. If it went by hardware then a runner could play the same game on different consoles because of backwards compatibility and have 3 times for playstation and 2 times for gamecube by using the same disc.

Subcategory for Knife Only was requested so the Knife runners could be displayed easier which is a valid point so it was added despite that the look of the board would take a small hit. Then we also added a subcategory for Hard Mode, not many people ran Hard Mode so it was not as demanding as Knife Only but in the end it was added for the same reason we added Knife Only and the look of the board started to look worse.

And now we come to the emulator runs... Emulator have been displayed as hidden by default so console and emulator runners could have their correct rankings on their individual profiles. Adding yet another subcategory for Console/Emulator would make the board look even worse then it already does. Moving emulator into the Platform Subcategory does works, it doesnt make the board look any worse and people get their emulator leaderboard, I still disagree that this is the way to go and it would be better if it stayed as it is.

Now this isnt the only thing that has changed, now the PSN category (PS3 and PSP) are going to be seperated and PSP merged with Playstation Emulator? I dont see a objectively valid reason at all to do this. Like I stated in the beginning all the categories were based on the game version, now it will be mixed and the categories wont be based on the same filosofy for lack of a better word. Just because PSP outperforms the PS3 in IGT isnt a valid reason to seperate them and it's subjective as hell. I dont like the fact that it is this way but thats the way it is, they both play the same version and should therefor be on the same leaderboard.

The only way to truly satisfy everybody would be to have the platforms as tabs and everything else as subcategories. This way you can add subcategories that are exclusive to some of the platforms like Hard Mode which will prevent empty leaderboards on the platforms that doesnt have Hard Mode. Hell you could even add a region subcategory for the consoles cause im sure that someone in the future is gonna suggest that, cause PAL will have the WR and you can only beat it with a PAL run. Imagine that having a "WR" for the PAL region...

Lastly about the mods. Yes for a long period time me and Steven have basically been the only ones that have taken care of this board. Lots of times when other mods have verified runs we had to double check it cause alot of the times it turned out that there was no video of the run, wrong time submitted, no IGT timer on screen for PC runs etc. srwatcher, Pyman, SephJul, I dont have anything against these guys at all but if they dont use their swords then they dont need them. I've unmodded myself i think twice now cause I lost interest of the game, speedrunning in general or just of being a mod. And that's what I think everybody should follow. If there's any new mods added to this game then dont make them Super Mods cause we already have enough of them + it will be much easier to unmod them if they become inactive.

@xxshadowxbossxx I like how you tried to steal the definition of Any% for making a case that emulator should be treated like console, it wont work.

Beating the game as fast as possible has NOTHING to do with the hardware your running the game on. If this was the case then we wouldnt need to have a sub-category for platforms at all. Just keep all of the runs on one board cause its all about the lowest time right?

I would love if emulator was banned one day cause I think that it should only be used for practice and to help you decide if this game is for you. Now since alot of people do run emulator and this is just my opinion I wont demand this from the community. We allow emulator to be on the boards as hidden for the reasons ive explained earlier and there is no way it should be treated like console. It shouldn't even have its own leaderboard with yet another subcategory do seperate Disc and EMU.

This is yet another way of saying "my runs doesnt show by default" well if anyone was actually serious enough about it they would get a offical version rather then running on some unofficial version with a ripped ISO, a hell of alot of tweekings in the settings and play with keyboard insteed of a controller.

Thats the way I see it atleast.

Is there any reason why anyone would want an emulator prioritized over official hardware?

What we're comparing here is 2 runners that run the game differently. Runner A runs on emulator with an ISO which was ripped from the original disc. Runner B owns the official hardware and runs the game like it's supposed to be run. Answer is pretty clear that if anyone should be prioritized its Runner B.

Reason we hide emulators is the above and: Both runners will have their correct rankings (console is favored over emulator which is set by SRC themselves). If the best time was ran on emulator then both Runner A and B will have 1st place on their own profiles. If the best time was ran on console however then Runner B will have 1st place and Runner A would have 2nd place. Console is favored over emulator and for good reason.

Well that looks like it wont confuse or interfere with SRC. Seems like I was under a misapprehension, sry.

Good Luck

@bmpayne1996 you need to login to see everything.

@Jcstrickland89: Maybe you could get Auddy to make that google document, heard he's an expert on that.

@bmpayne1996: Creating a new website is a attempt to seperate practically everything and it wont benefit the community at all. I know you want to do good but this is not the way to do this, I've seen this happen before for RE2 and alot of other games, it never works.

If you still gonna go for it I highly suggest that you atleast remove the leaderboard bit from the website cause that WILL seperate everything.

@RESnow: "Just lock the thread to avoid any fights."

Not surprised that something like that would come from you Kappa

I predict that it will fail, not enough effort will be put into it, it will fade away and then the website will be closed cause the owner will stop paying for it.

SpeedRunCom is well known these days and more people will be drawn to this site rather then yours. Why would anyone post runs on 2 websites when they can just stick with 1?

Thats just the leaderboard part. If you put up some strats, glitch guide etc it can and most likely will be copy pasted here.

If you you think you can do it then go ahead, Im just trying to save you some time.

hehe...save some time 4Head

This exact thing happend to RE2 like 3 years ago. Wanna know what my prediction is for that new website? Kappa

Could you add http://www.speedrun.com/re2_mn as a ROM Hack for http://www.speedrun.com/re2 ?

Thanks

Both boards are Level leaderboards. Just submit all the runs to RE3 and then have an admin delete the Mercenaries game.

Not much to discuss really since the boards are already done.

Knife Only is self explanatory cause the name equals the definition.

Low% is different between games but you could compare the B scenarios with A Link to the Past Low% were you only pick up the things you need to finish the game.

Therefor Knife Only is only possible on A scenarios and Not possible on the B scenarios.

Rather then name the A's knife only and the B's Low% we could just use Low% for both cause that label actually fits both scenarios.

And I know who it is that keeps changing the names of the subcategory, could you please stop that? Or atleast put forward a argument...

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^ that is taken straight from SRC's example lol

@wolfdnc "WHY is hmm PS and PSN separate ? Shouldn't it be PS as a console and PSP a different one? and PS3 ?"

By having PS and PSN the boards are based on the game version and not the console. Having PS and PSP means that PSP is based on hardware and I have know idea what the PS version would be based on. PS would then include both the disc which can be played on 3 consoles and then the digital that can be played on 1 console.

If PS3(PSN) cant stay in the same board as PSP bc PSP outperforms it then It would make more sense to BAN PS3(PSN) then to mix it with the Disc versions board.

Categories should be PS and PSN cause they will both be based on the game version. PSP outperforms the PS3 and I dont belive that PS1-3 consoles plays the disc version exactly the same either. Maybe the difference wont be big at all but the boards would atleast be based on the same standard.

EDIT: and how do you make em' cool quote boxes? DansGame

Cause for some reason I never understood, you dont kill Nemesis on the train cause he doesnt drop anything. He's probably the most difficult one aswell cause you cant get him stuck.