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  Catori-Mapiya

I imagine something like this

>A Realm reborn<
<Dungeons>----------<Solo>----------------<Coop>--------------------<Sync>----------<Min. I-lvl>
-1---------------------------1------------------------1-----------------------------1--------------------1
-2---------------------------2------------------------2-----------------------------2--------------------2
-3---------------------------3------------------------3-----------------------------3--------------------3
<Trials>-----------------<Solo>----------------<Coop>--------------------<Sync>----------<Min. I-lvl>
-1---------------------------1------------------------1-----------------------------1--------------------1
-2---------------------------2------------------------2-----------------------------2--------------------2
-3---------------------------3------------------------3-----------------------------3--------------------3
<Raids>-----------------<Solo>----------------<Coop>--------------------<Sync>----------<Min. I-lvl>
-1---------------------------1------------------------1-----------------------------1--------------------1
-2---------------------------2------------------------2-----------------------------2--------------------2
-3---------------------------3------------------------3-----------------------------3--------------------3

>Heavensward<
<Dungeons>----------<Solo>----------------<Coop>--------------------<Sync>----------<Min. I-lvl>
-1---------------------------1------------------------1-----------------------------1--------------------1
-2---------------------------2------------------------2-----------------------------2--------------------2
-3---------------------------3------------------------3-----------------------------3--------------------3
<Trials>-----------------<Solo>----------------<Coop>--------------------<Sync>----------<Min. I-lvl>
-1---------------------------1------------------------1-----------------------------1--------------------1
-2---------------------------2------------------------2-----------------------------2--------------------2
-3---------------------------3------------------------3-----------------------------3--------------------3
<Raids>-----------------<Solo>----------------<Coop>--------------------<Sync>----------<Min. I-lvl>
-1---------------------------1------------------------1-----------------------------1--------------------1
-2---------------------------2------------------------2-----------------------------2--------------------2
-3---------------------------3------------------------3-----------------------------3--------------------3

>Stormblood<
<Dungeons>----------<Solo>----------------<Coop>--------------------<Sync>----------<Min. I-lvl>
-1---------------------------1------------------------1-----------------------------1--------------------1
-2---------------------------2------------------------2-----------------------------2--------------------2
-3---------------------------3------------------------3-----------------------------3--------------------3
<Trials>-----------------<Solo>----------------<Coop>--------------------<Sync>----------<Min. I-lvl>
-1---------------------------1------------------------1-----------------------------1--------------------1
-2---------------------------2------------------------2-----------------------------2--------------------2
-3---------------------------3------------------------3-----------------------------3--------------------3
<Raids>-----------------<Solo>----------------<Coop>--------------------<Sync>----------<Min. I-lvl>
-1---------------------------1------------------------1-----------------------------1--------------------1
-2---------------------------2------------------------2-----------------------------2--------------------2
-3---------------------------3------------------------3-----------------------------3--------------------3

But i still think as you can also solo most of the raid content it also makes sense to add it to the Individual Level leaderboards.

With this layout it is nicely sorted and accesable and you can even (if it is possible add the respective game banners instead of just the name) i think

 
  Neflarion

Hi,

Kind of new here, but I had this idea and was wondering if we could get it added.

Basically it's a new character run through the 1st part of the MSQ until you board the airship for the 1st time. Rules would be simple. Time starts as soon as you have control of your character, time ends when you board the airship for the 1st time and the cutscene starts to play. And by 1st time, I mean the very 1st time, where you get the extended take off of the airship cutscene and everyone runs out of the platform to wave and watch you leave and then it cuts to the garleans and Nero killing that one guy.

Not sure what you'd call that category though. "New Character Airship Run" maybe.

 
  darkdyllon

@Neflarion We're still waiting on an actual full game leaderboard (lvl 1-50 and 1-60 MSQ) apparently 2 people have confirmed to finish it already and i'm doing it somewhere next week.
But to discus your idea, timer should start from the moment you hit confirm on the character select screen, if you do it from when you gain control you risk that people miss time it or something of that nature. and ofcourse we got the loading problems, my new PC loads every area in FF14 extremely fast as to my old PC takes about a minute orso to load areas (more if it's limsa for example)
not sure if livesplit has an automatic loadless timer build in without having to fine tune it.

 
  Neflarion

Well that's fair. But a Full 1-50, 1-60, and 1-70 MSQ run would run into the same issues. Would also have problems with queues for different classes for the various dungeons and trials that need to be run. But that's neither here nor there. What you could do for load times though is just subtract load times from the actual run time. Not sure there is a way to do it automatically, but if load times are removed, it should make it more competitive for older computers and people with slower internet.

 
  Thandraug

Hi, I wanted to inquire about the MSQ speedrun as well. I saw some discussion about it on reddit as well as the Level 1 - 2.0MSQ speedrun, and I wanted to see where things stand.

I have had experience with speedrunning the MSQ, and I am currently thinking about/planning to do a live-streamed attempt at the ARR category. That said, I don't want to go through with it if I'm not informed ahead of time regarding the particulars.

I saw on the FFXIV listing that there are apparently active categories for ARR and HW. If I were to run the ARR category, I would need to start from character creation, continue to the end of "Before the Dawn", and could not use any assistance from delivery moogle, FC/FC buffs, and would not be able to premake any parties for group content. I also understand that using the 'Road to 60' buff is an allowed option. So long as there aren't any developments since then that I am unaware of, I'd be willing to make a live attempt at this, but I want to know that it would be accepted if I were to do this fully with record. There are still no runs uploaded (and I know the one run I've seen stopped at 2.0 which is probably the reason) but I'd like to make sure the run COULD get uploaded at this time.

Additionally, any new details that could be shared would be appreciated, especially regarding timing and restrictions. I want to make this happen, and I have plenty of opportunity to do it sooner rather than later, so any guidance is greatly appreciated.

 
  kazarien

I kinda feel like ARR%, HW%, and SB% are good categories for whole game, and make each DLC self-contained. So, if you're doing Stormblood% (when it's finished, anyway), you can use RDM and SAM whenever you get them to help routing the ARR patch 100, but otherwise nah. That's...honestly like the only time I can think of DLC content being available before accessing the expack itself.

I think that the Road to 60 buff should remain its own separate category, as imho should segmented and marathon runs. The reason I say that is that doing the run segmented opens the door for IRL time abuse like making sure to segment it in such a way that each segment gets access to daily roulettes and weekly challenge log for ease of leveling while marathon you wouldn't get that. Or we could just disallow picking up the challenge log (since you can't willingly only do it once per week segmented, it sorta happens whether you want it to or not) and only allow roulettes to be done every 24 hours of clocked game time, though that would involve using real time and not in-game time.

In order to allow for online content only like dungeons and trials, we could also implement timer stops from the time someone queues until the time they kill the final boss of the instance which would open the door I feel like for DPS classes to step in (since right now it really seems like the speedrun is green plate or blue plate exclusive atm), though idk if people want to micromanage speedrunning that badly.

Just some thoughts.

 
  kazarien

Oh and then the thing with segmented runs would also be accrual of rest which wouldn't happen much if at all during a marathon run, so you'd have to make sure to end your segments outside of a sanctuary in which your character would accrue rest.

Agh and another problem with ARR% running all the way to patch 2.55 is the increased level cap from having HW installed unless we're going to say that the only way to compete in ARR% is not to have HW installed and the only way to compete in HW% is not to have Stormblood installed, etc. etc. I'm not sure to what degree we'd care about that though because as far as I'm aware, unless you have access to expack locked gear (which you don't since you can't trade or use marketboard or moogle mail at all), it won't affect combat ability all that much, plus you don't actually GET abilities from future expacks unless you've completed the MSQ that unlocks it (and in the case of everything but the aforementioned likely disallowed DLC classes, the respective class quests).

So maybe my second point is sort of a nonissue in hindsight.

 
  ZlinaDoom

Just a Question/Sugestion:
Fates Speed runs:
in the gold saucer there is a event caled: Leap Of fate, its a platforming Jumping thing that has a fate timer>
it start with 10:00 and counts down. pepole have gotten time scores of 9:00 and there is not offical record place for this, i was wondering if this is the rigth place for us Leap Of Fate speedrunners to post times.
problems with it "metals" are random and there are 10 versons of the map.
to get good times you need good RNG, and spped.
so i was hopeing for a Any% for any "metals caought" and a Full% for geting 6Broze,, 3Silver, and 1 gold Meatle.
anyway just wanted to post here to see what others though. i have a link to a redit from from 2 mounts ago.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/9m2ein/does_anyone_else_speedrun_leap_of_faith/

 
  Thandraug

@ZlinaDoom I am guessing there isn't a category for Gates right now, but there easily could be if you do post some times and drum up activity. I am, of course, speaking for myself and not the mods, but it sounds like a fantastic addition to this game's speedrun options.

@kazarien I can see how the uncapped level-up could be a bit of a problem, with the issue being that it isn't really possible to turn off. The raw attribute points are still awarded, and you're granted other benefits such as aggro immunity to enemies a few levels higher than people capped at 50, but I don't know if it makes a difference just yet. I can certainly keep it in mind when I attempt a run that goes past level 50.

On the other hand, regarding roulettes and such, I agree that abuse of daily/weekly roulettes are a thing, but I'm unsure how often segmented runs happen nowadays. It seems like they have become a LOT less popular, but that is probably just because games are getting shorter. This is a long run, so I wouldn't be surprised if it came to that. I would agree that abusing the roulettes would ruin segmented runs, but that sort of thing can be done in marathons as well by timing your character creation a little before the reset. So I think that daily/weekly content is fair game for a speedrun, so long as they are only used one time each in the run, regardless of whether it is segmented or single-segment. Then it simply cannot be abused and would ultimately fall within the confines of (one use guaranteed for anyone who creates a character, regardless of what time or day.)

 
  kazarien

The issue is that you can't not do the challenge log once you pick it up. The moment you do three dungeon roulettes of any kind or five dungeons or X number of FATEs or X number of Leves, you'd get a bonus. In a marathon setting, you wouldn't get that but maybe once, but in a segmented one you could just only play on Tuesdays after reset for a week, which would add maybe 2-3 hours to your run but give you access to your roulettes/challenge log.

Also, I wanted to pitch the notion of having a DPS% on each of the runs too since queue times are being measured. I feel like those are going to end up really needing a category of their own.

 
  Neflarion

As far as segmented runs are concerned. There is a simple solution. No roulettes. Unless the goal is to reach a certain level, not a certain point in the game quickly, there is no need for the roulettes.

As for the level cap, I know on Steam you have a key for ARR/HW and a key for Stormblood. I don't know if you can go beyond 60 if you don't have Stormblood. If you can't that that gives a level cap for at least the HW runs.

 

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