Tips for Learning, Archived Knowledge, and Legality Questions
2 years ago
ModeratorGhillieGuide
He/Him, They/Them
2 years ago

The tutorials in this game are very good and I recommend completing them to get a good handle for the game(at least up to the stunts).

I am searching for knowledge to improve and compiling some here that I find. If there is other knowledge worth referencing here please let me know; or corrections to something I have assumed! *anything in [ ] is unconfirmed . . . Common Mistakes I have made:

-Not making enough adjustments to my alignment with the track; you can do a lot of both vertical and horizontal adjustments and compared to other games like Wave Race it's always faster to make additional adjustments than settle for a worse line.

-Not aligning properly out of turns before boosting. As a general tip wait longer before boosting after a turn until you can get the line. Boosting while turning builds temperature far faster than boosting facing straight; this is a prominent factor in boost routing

-Make sure you boost when hitting the ground. Route your turbo usage so you always have the temp to make a quick landing. If you have the wrong angle landing + don't boost when landing even once you lose so much time

-Trying to cut jumps too short pushing nose down early generally loses time where it's tempting to turn down early often times the kickers are setup in ways that look more inviting than they actually are

-Sometimes it's crucial you don't hold drift and instead tap it a couple times; holding drift for too long instead of tapping it loses a lot of time and doesn't help you turn much

-when doing handbrake turns make sure to boost after to get back up to speed; a lot in this game depends on getting up to top speed and staying as close to it as possible with minimal braking/drifting

During the countdown there are a number of options for movement and turbo to get a faster start.

Standard Fast Start

  1. Hold Throttle and Turbo until the Temp dial gets to yellow; release Turbo

2)When the Announcer says Go do a Wheelie(Down + Turbo) while holding Throttle; continue holding down briefly with a longer wheelie on courses without an immediate turn.

It's possible to Wheelie early and adjust your starting angle before the countdown starts; be aware of this as several courses use it to save time at the start

There's a strategy on some course where you start with less than yellow temperature; this can allow you to Turbo more to get up to top speed more quickly to make jumps(useful on levels like phoenix and blizzard blitz)

Before drifting use the joystick to start the turn, you might not need to drift just holding the joystick. Move your stick to diagonal down if you need to make a very sharp turn, drifting only after you have started the turn. If done correctly you should be able to avoid using brake most of the time if not all the time.

Tapping Turbo once after a drift seems to stabilize nicely if you haven't overturned; important for keeping on your bike and pushing your speed into the next corner or jump. If you turbo after drifting without stabilizing your bike you will crash or lose a lot of speed; often best to avoid using it other than when you need it to make a jump until you get more comfortable with cornering.

Try to practice the timing for Turbo out of corners; mastering this seems essential for some routing.

When the angle is too sharp you may need to turn more quickly than is possible with just a drift and the joystick. Use Drift then Brake to turn more quickly

I asked Pancakes about turning; putting it here in case it helps others

My Question: "For sharp corners there appears to be some decision-making. Do you use brake or is it better to rely on the stick for sharp turns? brake+drift seems like a really fast way to turn and combined with turbo/ stick down-back there are actually a number of different turn options.

Can you give me some advice or guidance on which options to use and when?"

Pancakes' Answer "No problem, it really depends on the turn you'll have some turns where it is banked like on Long Island, of Las Vegas, where itll be faster to hit that banked turn while holding brake to get a nice turn. For the turns like orlando I tend to do two hand brake turns each trying to go 90 on each turn I make, to me it feels faster, but it might not be." he is referring to turns that turn 180 degrees or more without a bank.

In the air it's often important to change your angle before you land to move quickly through a course. Adjust your height(Up/Down on joystick) before adjusting your landing angle(Left/Right) if you need to do both in a jump. Once you start turning left/right you are unable to have the same adjustment on height.

Use Drift and hold a direction in the air to adjust your landing angle.

For quicker angle changes use Drift then Brake to turn quickly in the air; very important in several courses

Press Up on the joystick to reduce air time & Down to increase air time. Use these to maximize your time boosting and accelerating; don't be in the air longer than you need to and make sure to press down when needed to reach landings.

What you do before you leave a ramp has a drastic affect on where you end up in the air and landing. Avoid turning on ramps before jumping from them try to go up them straight on.

If you press down on the joystick before jumping from a ramp your jump height will be increased; If you press up on the joystick before jumping from a ramp your jump height will be decreased. Using turbo at the edge of a ramp will give you a Boost that increases your speed and launch distance.

Landing wrong can kill all your speed or crash you easily so it's important to try to get each landing right. Try to hold any angle adjustments from airtime as long as possible before adjusting the landing angle as the adjustment usually slows you down a bit until you land.

The closer to parallel with the angle of the ground you are when you land the faster the landing. Try to match it exactly before landing; often landing with your nose too high up or too far down kills all your speed and/or wipes you out.

Faster to land without an angle change left/right(facing straight forward) unless the slower landing allows you to setup for a better line(common).

One of the big mistakes I made starting this game was boosting too often trying to go faster. It looks like it's often the case that you should refrain from using turbo except when you know to use it; blindly using turbo into and out of corners can waste a lot of time on collisions and missed turns.

Start off just trying to get around a course using throttle, angle changes, and drifting. Use turbo only on boosts on jumps to start with and on ramps then gradually start adding them in as you get more comfortable with the lines. You may be able to replace height changes with turbo use so look for opportunities to remove angle changes by boosting to get over gaps it's faster to boost over a gap than do extreme up/down height adjustments though both may clear the same gap.

Note: I am finding that it's often fastest in turns to hold the stick all the way to one side and hold turbo to get out of the turn; often the additional acceleration from the turbo allows you to just barely miss collisions with the walls; this appear to be how to get extra speed off of a jump like top players on Kyoto use to glide over extra jumps and save time over most submissions.

Avoid overheating You will begin to overheat while using turbo when racing. To get your temperature gauge back down, just wreck one of the other racers by clipping their front tire with your back tire. Your gauge will go down to nothing.

On the Uphill Challenge(and places with large hills) it appears as though you can boost multiple times by doing a wheelie repeatedly(Down + Turbo). There may be potential to exploit these physics outside of Uphill but this seems almost essential to boosting without overheating.

[High and quick jumping Pop a wheelie, then hold "Turbo". Release "Turbo" just before the top of the jump, then tap "Turbo" at the top while still maintaining the wheelie.]

Using control configuration C personally; imitating Pancakes. Seems like potential for other control schemes as long as you are using control stick for movement.

[Custom course win Place a landing ramp in the middle of the track, with no jump in front of it so that the steep slant of the landing ramp functions as a jump. Each time you pass the ramp, at least one of the CPU riders will fall off their bike. Tricks and air turns are unhindered.]

Most updated old FAQ(Needs review for important knowledge): https://www.neoseeker.com/excitebike64/faqs/25977-excitebike-64-b.html

From http://uk.codejunkies.com/search/codes/Excitebike-64_Nintendo-64_6291711-6___.aspx

These gameshark codes possibly could be used to cheat "low temp" is the only one I see that's worth being aware of

Edited by the author 1 year ago
Wisconsin, USA

Hey Ghillie, most cheats are banned. The only one that is legal is the "Wheeeeeee" cheat, which turns uphill into downhill. Just watch out using that cheat as if you finish a downhill run, the game will save the time as if you did the run uphill. Just to let you know here, I did DM you on discord if you wanted any tips and tricks, but as I'm typing this I realize I can use the comment feature under the run

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ModeratorGhillieGuide
He/Him, They/Them
2 years ago

Thanks Pancakes, sorry if it seems like a bunch of stuff all at once trying to figure out everything.

Will respond on discord just trying to start on a public archive for learning so it's easier; thanks for working on this game and good luck on your runs!

edit: my discord account is lost for now please don't try to contact me there; most responsive to YT comments, or twitter. Will respond to messages here but might be a delay

Edited by the author 2 years ago
Georgia, USA

Warm up your engine

Yellow/red temps give higher speeds than green temps. It is usually worth revving during the countdown to build up some heat to get a better start off the line.

Turbo tapping

When you are close to overheating, tap the turbo button instead of holding it down. If you tap at the right rate, you can continue to get turbo pulses even while redlining. Since you maintain most of your accumulated boost speed while simply accelerating, you will continue to get most of the benefits of turbo while tapping.

Sweet spot

When landing on a kicker, the line where the kicker intersects with the normal ground is the ideal landing spot. A good example is the jump after the 3rd turn on Mountain Quarry. Land in the sweet spot right where the feature transitions back to flat ground, and you get a smooth landing with instant traction and control. Anywhere else, your bike will wobble and bounce and you won't be able to start turning until it stabilizes.

Pop jump

Taking a jump with a wheelie sometimes (but not always) results in higher speed, but lower vertical height. You can use the following trick to get both height and distance. Drive up to a ramp while doing a wheelie. At the moment you leave the ramp, let the control stick neutral. If the timing is correct and the ramp is of the right type, you'll get a noticeable visual pop up to a higher height. With this trick you can get the height of a normal jump with the speed of a wheelie jump. You start the jump with a neutral pitch (though often you also get a hard wobble as you leave the ramp), rather than the back-tilt of the wheelie jump, allowing wheelie jumps in places where it otherwise might not be viable. Not easy to pull off consistently.

Wall bounce

In several places, there are turns where hitting the outside wall and bouncing off is faster than taking the turn normally. Notable examples include Detroit, Las Vegas, and Canyon Chasm. Approach the wall you wish to bounce off at a steep angle, then begin drift turning away from the wall as you closely approach the wall to shallow the angle. Too steep an angle on impact will result in a crash.

Double wheelie start

For courses which start with some flat ground in a straightaway (Lefty's Mill, Congo Course), it is faster to do a single, extremely short wheelie for the start boost, then do another wheelie with specific timing. The timing is not quite "as soon as possible", but it is relatively close thereafter. Courses which start on a tabletop or plateau may benefit more from a single wheelie that terminates at the drop-off.

Wheelie start cooldown

The game will not allow you to do a turbo jump until 1 second after you release the input from the wheelie start. On Long Island, it is advisable to do as short a wheelie start as possible in order to have a turbo jump available for the first ramp.

Errant edge boosts

There are some areas and surfaces in the game (e.g. the girders in Construction Yard; the landing before the fork in Congo Course) where, if you press turbo as you land on them, you will get the "vroom" sound and back-tilt as if you performed an edge boost; this is usually detrimental. Either hold turbo shortly before landing, or delay your press. This can also used to one's advantage in Hill Climb - the hill's grade allows you to edge boost repeatedly while staying grounded. There aren't any immediately obvious places to try and exploit this in the standard courses yet, but maybe something could be done with the technique in e.g. Goldmine Rush or Canyon Chasm.

Wheelie balance

To do an extended wheelie, start a wheelie (down on the stick + turbo), then adjust the control stick position forward slightly. Push slightly forward (while still holding back on the stick) and you can wheelie indefinitely. Stable / balanced wheelies are also significantly faster than otherwise. The rider's legs will give you some feedback as to how you are balancing - if they start wiggling, you should be "stable" at that stick angle.

Air turning

Press the brake button and a direction in the air to initiate an air turn. Air turning only works when the animation for the maneuver will have enough time to complete before you land. This means sometimes you can get an air turn on a relatively small hop, depending on timing. If the game doesn't calculate that there is enough time for the animation to complete before you hit the ground, it will not activate. Note that air turns are dynamic - press sharply left or right to get a sharp turn, and shallowly to get a shallow one. After an air turn is initiated, pitch control of the bike is lost, thus it is often optimal to wait until the last moment to activate an air turn. There is an element of risk/reward in terms of waiting as long as possible, but not so long that you fail to give the air turn enough time to activate.

Glide jumping

You can perform a glide jump by activating an air turn at the shallowest possible degree while airborne (pressing forward and slightly left/right seems most consistent). This technique makes your jump rigidly carry you the maximum distance while still allowing lateral movement, and causes you to enter a "flat" landing state. This seems especially useful on Kyoto, where the technique is potentially required for skipless 3-lap times of under 1 minute. You tend to land more cleanly from a glide jump than most regular landings.

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Georgia, USA

Demonstration of the pop jump technique:

ModeratorGhillieGuide
He/Him, They/Them
2 months ago

When asked by meauxdal about how to land wheelies off course I responded

First I generally hold down a lot in the air when looking for a landing wheelie even past where it's optimal to maintain speed; this slows my descent a bit making the landing a little less jarring If I can I try to land with my front wheel slightly off the ground which prevents the reset for a split second and gives me a window to wheelie; you can do the same thing with a very slight turn but the window is smaller .

Landing perfectly flat and not going fast enough always resets you so you need to keep some speed and not completely level off. Once you give yourself a small window that way you can input the wheelie; don't press the boost button more than once you really only have 1 shot at it in that little window after you land. You have to time both a push down and the b press at the same time in the window created by landing slightly off level.

There have been times where I've landed with my front wheel way up and then bounced up back up straight into a wheelie"

if you press b twice going for a wheelie you reset

you can't just buffer it you have to just get the timing right and commit to it

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