Earth Defense Force 5 Forum  /  New category discussion
  OJSNOJSN
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I'm considering a new category AP999 Inferno.
You can use any weapon and any class there, but you cannot have more than 999 Armor Points and the difficulty of every mission must be Inferno.
I'm considering to add All mission category of it but it is too long and exhausting, so I will also add 3 more categories, Mission 1 through Mission 41, Mission 42 through Mission 82, and Mission 83 through the end.
Can you give me your thought?

 
  TransparentBlueTransparentBlue

All mission Inferno with low armor limit would definitely be quite a daunting run, not necessarily uninteresting in it's own right though, I'll have to consider that if I ever get around to actually seriously attempting one on 4.1 first, I'm guessing it should be in 9-12hr ballpark at worse if properly routed.

I can think of a few issue with an Inferno low armor category
People without the two mission pack aren't gonna be competitive at all.
People are going to need a fairly grinded out save to have any chance of participating at all (at the very least DLC 1/2 + upper-tier inferno gear preferably maxed out).
More often than not the run is gonna go safe over fast, although that can create an interesting paradigm where routing is centered around whether you can make Air Raider fast enough compared to others to make taking risks irrelevant.
Missions 1 to 41 is pretty much half auto-scrolling sections (time wise) meaning it's gonna be much less attractive as a run, doubly so when dying near the end of a 5-14 minute autoscrolling section is a very real possibility.

 
  OJSNOJSN

"People without the two mission pack aren't gonna be competitive at all."

Is this gonna be a problem?
At least most existing runners have Mission Packs.

"People are going to need a fairly grinded out save to have any chance of participating at all (at the very least DLC 1/2 + upper-tier inferno gear preferably maxed out)."

I don't think this is a problem at all.
Grinding for NG+ category is quite common.

"More often than not the run is gonna go safe over fast, although that can create an interesting paradigm where routing is centered around whether you can make Air Raider fast enough compared to others to make taking risks irrelevant."

Yes it can be true and that's what I'm testing by playing as Ranger.

"Missions 1 to 41 is pretty much half auto-scrolling sections (time wise) meaning it's gonna be much less attractive as a run, doubly so when dying near the end of a 5-14 minute autoscrolling section is a very real possibility."

Yes this is true.
Some missions with the sergeant (like M. 13) have quite long conversations.
But at least it seems to me more attractive than playing Easy with DLC weapons.

 
  TransparentBlueTransparentBlue

I'm mostly mentioning grinding because I've seen it be an issue on the EDF 4.1 leaderboards, and while I don't mind personally it does lower accessibility for those categories, also while many NG+ category do require grinding for an usable save it usually does not involve spending anywhere near as much time on it as EDF5 does.
Granted I don't see any rules against using a 3rd party save or an unlocker so unless either of those is an issue I think it can be worked around if a runner wishes to do so.

DLC might be an issue for a potentially new runner as it tends to be a common issue in most categories that require DLCs to be ran at a competitive level, it does not affect most of the current runners but I feel like it's still worth mentioning.

 
  OJSNOJSN
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"I'm mostly mentioning grinding because I've seen it be an issue on the EDF 4.1 leaderboards"

So would you prefer NG categories?
I mean, runs start from empty save file every time.
To be honest I don't like the idea because it's much dependent on weapon drops.

"DLC might be an issue for a potentially new runner as it tends to be a common issue in most categories that require DLCs to be ran at a competitive level, it does not affect most of the current runners but I feel like it's still worth mentioning."

If there is a new runner who wants to do Low-Armor Inferno without DLC weapons, then I can add sub-categories.

 
  OJSNOJSN

There is a runner of EDF4.1 who did AP999 Inferno as Ranger exclusively.
The time was 10:45:53 in real time.


 
  TransparentBlueTransparentBlue

>To be honest I don't like the idea because it's much dependent on weapon drops.
There's really no easy answer when it comes to accessible categories that are actually enjoyable to run and improve, well there's co-op with weapon limits but that's still limited.
That said if someone was asking forr it to be added because he wants to submit a run he's done I wouldn't have any objection to adding it, even if I have no desire to run a NG category.

>There is a runner of EDF4.1 who did AP999 Inferno as Ranger exclusively.
>The time was 10:45:53 in real time.
Interesting, I didn't think it would be as short as that especially with the Ranger

 
  OJSNOJSN

Okay, thanks for your opinion.
Anyway I will make a video during the holidays (which will be M. 1 - 41, because it's not too difficult). Let's see how it looks like.

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  OJSNOJSN

Here's a video of AP999 Inferno Ranger M. 1 - 41 sub5.
I made 3 attempts and they were really fun because you can still go fast while you must keep safe.
I'll also try WD some day.

 
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