quoquo

then buy an amiibo, no one is forcing anyone to use NFC chips

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  soyasoya

So Botw speedrun become P2W because if i want to run AD category i need 6 link super smash bros ^^

 
  quoquo

Yeah but the thing is you don't want to run the game, you just want to sit here and have your opinion heard and pretend like it's going to have some big everlasting effects on the community. This thread should have been locked a month ago when the mods decided to keep the ruleset as it is, because we'll just keep having people who don't particularly care about the game want to ban amiibo because their favorite streamer doesn't have any. There is already an easy way to distinguish between runs that do and do not use amiibo, clear as day for anyone to see, asking for an amiibo ban is just insulting to people who have put the time in with amiibo.

Also if you want to complain about P2W (if that's actually the thing you care about), you should put your energy towards the fact that the fastest console is a European Wii U, not a plastic figurine.

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  soyasoya

Ok i just see you don't have any argument so you are bashing me ^^.
I just want equality and for Wii U vs Swtich you can use In game time do you know ?

 
  quoquo

And why is equality so important to you that you would ban the way some people play the game? Also as of now, there's no way to accurately compare wii u vs switch until the tools are developed (which involves HACKING (omg!!!) and I know your opinion on that so I don't know why you're bringing it up anyways)

 
  soyasoya

i don't want to ban amiibo oO, i didn't say that i just want to separe run with amiibo and without amiibo because i think we can't compare an amiibo run vs an no amiibo run, it's just logic.
And in the futur we can't run this game without NFC tags hacked or expensive amiibo.

 
  soyasoya

Yeah but separate category is better because now you can choose to compare an amiibo run vs a no amiibo run and it's not logic.

 
  quoquo

Yes it would be such a shame that if sva wants to compare against Ikkitrix we wouldn't let him because someone with an opinion thinks it's not logical.

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  soyasoya

Half of this community thinks like me and other half thinks like you 🙂

 
  TreZc0TreZc0

Exactly. Which is why I don't see your point.
We had a vote about this, it was split. We asked the SRC staff for technical extensions to make sub categories better and more fitting for our scenario.
Until then leaderboards will stay like this

 
  soyasoya

Good to know, I didn't know for extension

 
  bobakanoosh55555bobakanoosh55555

I hate to return to this thread, but the "Yeah but the thing is you don't want to run the game, you just want to sit here and have your opinion heard and pretend like it's going to have some big everlasting effects on the community. ....." comment by quo left a bad taste in my mouth.

As TreZc0 stated, the entire process of properly orienting the leader boards is still underway. The "high horse" position taken in saying that soya's argument is invalid - presuming they don't care about the game, or simply being a streamer fanboy - is not only demeaning, but uninformed. There are several runners who either do not wish to post to speedrun.com, or do not wish to post a time until they are satisfied, the latter of which I fall under. Despite this, I would hope my input on the forum would not instantly be ruled out as fallacious.

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  quoquo

You do need to understand that this is not an isolated event, every now and again in whatever community people who don't care about a game and are not part of the community push for rules that "are logical" to them. Easy examples are n64 vs vc in sm64, or igt vs rta in the prime trilogy. It happens often enough that the "high horse" position, as unfortunate as it is, is honestly the only viable way of getting things done. If you want your opinion to be heard, you need to prove that your opinion is worth listening to.

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  soyasoya

And how we can prove that ? You think your opinion is more important than an other person because you are so important and so famous and it's my responsibility to prove that my opinion is logical because you don't know who i am, it's a joke?
i participate in the community and i run botw but i haven't yet a capture card to prove my words.

 
  TreZc0TreZc0

Still there are several people who don't run the game and still voice their opinion in a rather loud and intrusive way, you cannot deny that.
Of course we shouldn't lump together all of these people, but its completely fair to be sceptical at first imo.

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  TigameTigame

"it's my responsibility to prove that my opinion is logical, it's a joke?"
Of course you have to prove that your opinion is logical, that's how discussions work. You could just write your opinion but then don't be surprised if people are gonna disagree with you right of the bat.

 
  soyasoya

I have already explained my opinion with arguments and only answer is that: "Yeah but the thing is you don't want to run the game, you just want to sit here and have your opinion heard and pretend like it's going to have some big everlasting effects on the community. This thread should have been locked a month ago when the mods decided to keep the ruleset as it is, because we'll just keep having people who don't particularly care about the game want to ban amiibo because their favorite streamer doesn't have any."

Ok i need to prove my opinion is logical but i can have an opinion without explain who i am and my opinion is not less important than an other.
And half of this community have the same opinion, i'm not alone.
And Quo or you Tigame doesn't run the game, so why your opinion is more important?

 
  quoquo

It's not, everything I've said echoes the ruleset put in place by the mods. If you don't have the money for a capture card, you can always get a $30 webcam while you save up. With enough skill, webcam videos don't look too bad actually.

re: "[...]it's my responsibility to prove that my opinion is logical because you don't know who i am"
Yes. It is.

 
  soyasoya

Don't quote just half of my sentence please and i rework it because you and Tigame do that.
In the rule it's written that you need to be septical and bash someone when you don't have arguments ?