Have we been wrong about the start frame?
4 months ago
Antarctica

Correct me if I'm wrong. Do we all use the same start frame?

Our rules say that frame 1 begins on the first frame controlling Rash. If I'm not mistaken, we've been deciding frame 1 in runs based on the first frame touching the ground.

I've confirmed on Bizhawk that you are influencing Rash sooner than this frame. The simple proof is that you can press B to punch several frames sooner, while you are still airborne. But even in the movement alone, the reason it takes a while to turn around while holding down & left is because there is rightward momentum as the player lets go of the rope. It's not so visible to the naked eye, but there is in fact influence happening in those airborne frames, which I've further confirmed by doing frame counts pressing left on different airborne frames and getting different results.

We can safely use the first frame Rash lets go of the rope as a viable start frame, since that is the earliest frame we're able to influence. It's not a big deal, but we might need to shift the milliseconds on our runs to be a few frames slower, at least in the future.

Edited by the author 4 months ago
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Mexico

Amazing knoledge, thanks friend!! Hope you guys start at the correct time

Russia

Yeah, I agree. It could be better to use the first frame when you lose the rope, because sometimes new runners even don't press any buttons after the landing