Hey, what do we think the rules should be for the fox spirit encounter in 100% ghosts runs? I've done some tests and it seems completely random whether or not she does the 'attack' at the end. I did the same movement 10 times and she attacked in 5. And the attack seems necessary to unlock it in your ghost collection.

There's a couple runs that got accepted in the past which don't encounter it like the others. One of them continues without the attack, and the other moves on without letting the fox spirit finish.

Any opinions?

I also believe that getting the right song is RNG dependent. You can always come back from the new building to get another attempt but the duration of the song is quite long so it'll be pretty harsh to reset due to a RNG. It also feels bad to obviate Fox spirit in the run so maybe just interacting with the marks on the wall or wait until the song finishes regardless you get the ghost or not seems like a good idea to continue. Though so far i can't demonstrate that you can control RNG.

I dont think the attack should matter. I think just hearing it should count as an encounter. Almina is probably the most knowledgeable for this category so I would like to hear her input.

Just as an update for this topic for anyone reading - the rules did eventually change on this. The relevant thread is here: https://www.speedrun.com/whiteday2017/thread/k9x1e

Basically the rules are now that the fox spirit encounter does not need to be completed. You must look at her claw marks, but you can move on without hearing her full song.

This thread can still be used for any more discussion about her encounter