Switzerlandyeah the more i play this game and think about it the level idea doesnt really work that well.
so yeah that not gon happen :D
im currently working on some ng and ng+ runs and i noticed the category for ng+ and twlight missions is missing. so yeah make me a mod so i can add those
well im submitting some NG IL runs i did @lvl 110... the runs are kinda broken and when you level even higher you could get a slightly better time by oneshotting the boss faster... so the way ng IL runs work currently is just higher level = better time... so yeah that not so interesting...
if thats the way all ng IL runs are gonna be, so be it. i just thought maybe it would be more inetersting to ALSO run them with a level restriction
why not both? make a no restrictrions categorie and let everyone do a runs at level 999 or whatever and make other categories with restrictions?
well what other options do we have?
with the way to categories are setup currently for IL i could absolutely destory the records by just being way overleved.
like i did a run for mission 1 the other day (unoptimized) and it was like 1:30... once i level higher and optimize it i could easily get sub 1 minute with a level 100+ charcter
so comparing low level runs and highlevel runs of the same mission is really not an option.
either theres just 1 category for ng IL runs and its all OP overleveld runs completely destroying the level... or you make multiple categories with level restrictions...
what exactly sounds so awful about this to you?
so how are categories for IL runs gonna work?
first i though it could be ng and ng+, but that doesnt really work for anything beyond the first mission. what stopping me from just farming gear and levels for hours so i can get the perfect ng "mission 3" or whatever... currently the only way i see IL runs working is if theyre "second try" (when you redo a mission) only
so maybe we want to make level based categories for IL runs... like: categories "max level 30", "max level 40" and so forth. that way we can run the mission again and again at different level caps...
a while back i was looking at the routing for any% firstending and im pretty sure many missions can be reached faster on foot... seems like youve already considerd this. i never found a map with all the ground mission starting points on it so its kinda hard to route... im pretty sure you can do everthing up to and including mission 5 on the ground (its been a while)...
what im trying to say is. i think the biggest timesaves are gonna come from rerouting the missions so you dont have to use the helicopter as often... probably more for all missions though
come at me bro... noway are you gonna beat that 2:46 by anything then a couple milliseconds... took me way longer then i care to admit to get that time xD
couple things about timing:
if your gonna go frame by frame and get the exact time, dont go rounding down in the end... it kinda defeats the purpose of going frame by frame... please try to fill in the milliseconds on the rta as best you can. an approximate is better then rounding and 03:40.6 is fine... its just so when we get two runs that have the same seconds we can tell which is faster
also if the mission has no cutscenes, loading times or time manipulating stuff (reflex, injury, cigar, etc.) the IGT is correct and you can just use that to time your rta. mission 49 is a good example.
for most missions i think the timer starts on the x press before the mission screen, but for some that doesnt make sense... i adjusted my mission 12 time to your timing, and will check the other missions if i have to change any of them
im fine with that... the game doesnt aknowledge it, so lets put it under misc... fine by me.
now if only we could get a mod to show up around here more then once in a blue moon
i would still really like this category to be added... mods... are you still there? could you please add this category with the rules:
-no weapons -no items -no tools -no buddies -no reflex -no starting vehicle -Olive drab camo only
i left out the no chopper rule for now, since the subsistence mode in the game also allows for chopper extraction.
did i forget anything?
mission 2 and 22 cant really be speedrun.
mission 2 is a tutorial, and mission 22 is "retake the platform", which depending on how many platforms you have can take anywhere between 30 seconds and like 5 minutes.
they are seperate categories with different strats, i see no reason to remove a category. maybe if we had some other category and we had to make space or something, but that isnt the case so its kinda pointless to remove something when people (me) still run it. it's not like your forced to run it...
i think the most important thing about s-rank is it's the only category where you can kill people without having access to the overpowerd stuff like airstrikes and stealth camo.
s-rank% is basically "how much faster is psnk% if i dont care about alarms and killing?"
depending on the mission the difference is very small to pretty big.
but if i'm not mistake most runs are soon gonna be beaten...
by pure chance i saw this video... i still have to unlock the item and test it, but if it works like i think it would cut off a bunch of seconds of a lot of missions
e-rb wormhole generator.... place on at start of mission, once youve completed objective insta teleport outta hotzone? have to wait for the FOB event to unlock it, so i can test it...
remove the category? helll fukin no. its a seperate catergory to any% and i like running both
there are significant differences
any%: anything goes
srank%: anything goes as long as you dont use certain items
psnk%: nothing goes, no kill, no alerts, no special items
often any% and srank are very different cause of the fulton ballista and the stealth camo
could we replace the "all missions" (not ng+) category (which is pretty much impossible) with a new category "first ending ng+ (29 Missions)" with the rules "complete mission 1-31 (no mission 2, or 22) as fast as possible"
this is category id like to run, its short enough to not be a total pain to run, it involves no additional setup like setting up a new save... and most importantly... you wont have to run the god damn prologue or any of the repeat missions.
i dont know what you did, you but whatever it was it made it worse...
i submitted a 1:06 run of mission 7 last week and i showed up correctly as fastest
now it doesnt show up at all anymore cause its marked as obsolete (cause the leader board think my 3:22 run is faster?)
http://www.speedrun.com/run/9me7w88y
http://www.speedrun.com/mgsv/Mission_07_Red_Brass#any_S_rank
pls change ALL IL leader boards to rank according to "Real time without loads" and NOT "In-game time"
it seemed like you had fixed this but now its as bad as ever. pls fix
also your argument against rta is actually an argument FOR RTA.... if the phantom cigar strat is faster and "skips everything"... well thats a GOOD THING, that's WHAT WE WANT. we want to go fast... skipping a 15 minute timer is exactly what we want... now if the IGT doesnt show that, its broken and we are forced to use RTA...
you (or us) not "liking" the the strat cause it "ruins" the mission should in no way affect how we time the mission. the prupose of a mission 9 any% speedrun is NOT the destroy all vehicles, its to finish the mission as FAST AS POSSIBLE with ANY % done with the tools given to us. any% in this mission means destroy 1 vehicle. there are lots of strats i dislike, but put up with because their faster.
the only questions that matter are:
what is fastest? and does the IGT reflect what is ACTUALLY fastest?
if the igt does not accuratly reflect what is fastest its USELESS and we have to use rta.
also the the cigar strat is only fastest for any% of mission 9, since (as far as i know) its impossible to get s-rank using the cigar strat. just last weekend i made a new record for mission 34 (mission 9 extreme) srank/peacenik and you have to destroy (almost) every vehicle if you wanna get s-rank.
and now that ive timed some missions rta i gotta say, its lot easier then i thought. for missions with no cigar, cutscene or boxskip the IGT actually holds up. for missions with loading time (cutscene or boxskip) all you really have to do is time it start to finish and then subtract the amount of time that its was loading...
and the best argument of ALL against igt is: reflex/pills/injury slomo mode!
do you really want to play the game in permanent slowmotion, taking 20 minutes to do a single "2minute" run of a mission? thats doesnt sound like a speedrun, that sounds more like a slowrun :D and if we use igt every single mission will just be pure 100% slomo abuse bullshit. talk about zero skill involved... walking slowly for 20 minutes is NOT a speedrun... its a slowwalk (lol, ok ill stop now)
also if theres no skill involved in my mission 9 any% run (screw you :P)... well go beat my time then, should be easy, right? :D ill prove you wrong by just beating your time using my superior skill at mgs :P
we obviously care... otherwise we wouldnt be posting here...
and how is the game broken? do you mean full game runs, cause yeah those involve a lot of waiting. havent tried one yet. but IL runs are fine. some mission are really easy, some are pretty hard, i dont know what you mean with broken... unless ofcourse your talking about the broken ingame timer?
awesome.... glad they changed that :D... so id say raiden is a GO... unless anyone has problem with that? no? noone?....
well now all we need is for the mods to show up and change the rules
soo its just gets weirder.... soo look at mission 9
http://www.speedrun.com/mgsv/Mission_09_Backup_Back_Down#any
in the level leaderboard my realtime 3:00 run shows up as fastest... but if you click on the mission its listed as second place... wtf?
times should be listed by RTA without load, not by IGT.... why this work in the level overview and not the individual level leaderboard i cant say... cause i dont know what the mod interface of this site look like....
could a mod please shine some light on this?
hmm i remember now why there was a restriction on raiden...
the ingame tool tip says that using raiden restricts the Rank to A.... which isnt true at all... but now the question is do we "respect" the tooltip or abuse the bug that it lets us still get S-rank using raiden...
i say even if the tool tip says it restricts it to A... if it doesnt ACTUALLY restric it to A i think it shoould probably be fair game...
only problem is that if they ever patch it (they may have already havent played in awhile) to actually restrict, then all the runs would be invalid (or would have to be moved over to any%)
are any of the mods still here?
i saw that you added the real time without load s and real time with loads...so that great... and it looks like you even switched over any% S-rank to use realtime without loads....
for example mission 3:
even though my time isnt the fastest, it still shows up as number 1, since its the only run that has the real time field filled out. thats great. having realtime be the actual ranking is the way to go...
but for peacenik (or at least some missions) it doesnt look like you changed it... or its weird... i dunno:
http://www.speedrun.com/mgsv/Mission_07_Red_Brass#Peacenik_Perfect_Stealth_No_Kills
soliduz's run show s as number 1 with the time 19:45.... shouldnt it either show soliduz as number 1 with 3m 21s 870ms (rta) or show bre3zer with 3m 37s 518ms (IGT)
what the hell is going on with that mission?
then again mission 10 show me as fastest cause im the only one that filled out realtime....
so did you have to switch each mission individually or what?
also can we get some additional mods? i suggest myself and zefie :P
ok sooooooo i was just looking at the leaderboards... and at least the ANY% S RANK leaderboard is already RTA .... lol sneaky
look at mission 3 for example... event though there are 2 times that are faster then mine, mine still shows as number 1 cause its the only one that has the RTA field filled out.
so i guess all thats left to do is resubmit the runs with actual RTA
so i just noticed that this new guy karna actually beat the IGT for mission 1... a mission i had considerd pretty much done x)...
so i wanted to check if there is way to improve it.
added both videos to youtube doubler to check where he gained/lost time...
and as far as i can tell paxtons old run is faster... even though the IGT says hes slower by like a second.
heres the link to compare:
so karna reaches the box platform slightly faster... but then they exit the box almost at the same time... i guess this has to do with load times... but after that paxton is faster... he reaches kaz faster and reaches the chopper faster... still the IGT says his run is slower....
so im curious... could you time these RTA? im really not sure which of these runs is faster if you remove load times.... since the first half karna is faster, but the second half payton is faster
