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AntarcticaSonata2 years ago

Hello everyone! Here is a post to explain what are the plans for the leaderboard in terms of categories.

We actually hold 2 types of boards :

1/ Full game : story mode for season 1, 2 and the two of them.

2/ Individual levels : Netherball for each characters playaing against another one.

Here is the possible categoy list which would be implemented for the future, but, since they have some problems, i propose to the community or future player to submit a run about it. Moderators will make a view about the situation and, eventually, post your run with a leaderboard for it. Here is the ONLY category which are possibly allowed :

  • Netherball - Beat them all = The idea is this category will be put as a "Miscellaneous" in Full-Game. Timer start when you select play with D'Jok and stops when you successfully beat Luur. The problem about this category is his enormous RNG base. Actually, this category have a 90% room improvement only by the RNG. The only other way to save some time is by executing faster inputs which can save one or two seconds.

  • Cup 1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9/10/11/12/13 : Those one also are considered as misc. Timer start when you press A on "start game" and stop when you finish the match which gives you the trophy. This one doesn't have particular problems except that there is very few improvements compared to story mode in his whole.

Here are the category suggested. I don't think we can do serious category appart from them. If you have any questions don't hesitate to ask below. Thanks :D .

AntarcticaSonata2 years ago

It’s because emulators can do savestates and spliced runs. Actually, some TAS was made on emulator and clearly show the problem about that.

AntarcticaSonata2 years ago

New All Unlockables RTA/100% TAS in 43:32 :

Things to note :

1/ Improvements mades by taking the wiiu loadings and the N64 NTSC resets (1m35s saves), few improvements including Kensuke training, CP Expert , MV and DF trick.

2/ Correction on few courses. I put the missing recording part on some of them, check out the video description for more information.

3/ I completely cut the audio this time. More enjoyable for people.

4/ The actual time can go for a sub 43. here is the improvements area :

  • Match race = 21 seconds (from ILs TAS). 1/ Novice = 5 seconds. 2/ Hard = 7 seconds. 3/ Expert : 9 seconds.

  • Trick : 8 seconds and at least 5 following the trick route.

  • contest : between 1/3 seconds.

  • Training : 1 seconds at least.

  • expert 2 : 2,5 seconds IGT.

So i estimate an optimal time to be 43:1x. A dreaming time to be 43:0x. And a really difficult time to be 42:5x (between 57 and 59 probably).

I will probably go for a last round trying to get this sub.

Anyway. Thanks for reading, and enjoy! feel free to ask me anything here or in the comments section below the video ! :)

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AntarcticaSonata2 years ago

Here is the TAS :

I will give you few explanation, but don't hesitate to ask anything about the run.

1/ Yes, the video is spliced on many part (its a TAS so no prob i guess), i tried to make RTA the most optimistic possible.

2/ The TAS is RTA optimal only, the saves can be made on IGT between 12/17 seconds (Match race+ expert iceman). I have tried to make a good run, but the IGT are still pretty decent.

3/ The reason why IGT isn't optimized is about the difficulty to play Dion and the match race, its not impossible to be close to the actual ILs TAS, but it will take too many times and patience which i haven't with dion (the only thing which is good with him (in his statistic) is the speed, which is the best on the game).

4/ About the routing, i let people decide if they want to considerate the last cutscene to be on the run or not. If you take it, its 1min55 slower than stopping time after reaching the last line (officially, we considered that reaching the last red line on course was also possible to clear the run, instead of finishing contest).

5/ Here is the precise routing and the strat to know :

Contest : Basically you need to finish 3 times above the 1st place reached by the CPU with 50k points. The idea is that, even if you have a time out on crystal lake, the game still register your time. So it's much better to try reaching 50k points on CL by doing trick combos, you can see on the TAS than a OOB which is close to the beginning of the course can give you a big airtime and the way to do a 9-combo trick, giving you 50k point bonus and the main one you made.

Training : the best to clear training w/o problems is to do the trick menu after 180 or 360, because you have to get a big airtime on each trick you have to do after.

Match race : 1/ Dion+PBoard are the fastest combination of the game alongside Gold Ice man, 121km/h but its really hard to do an optimized run with him, so i would advice you (or others :) ) to take Rob, which is a little slower than him but much easier to take.

2/ There is a way to do a cutscene skip on the end of the match race, by reseting the console. This will NOT register your time but the game will consider that you unlocked hard or expert mode, depending where you are. Its almost 2 minute save for each reseting.

Trick : except on air make, you know the thing, if you past the checkpoint fast enough, you can beat the best time w/o making tricks.

Here is for the explanation. I hope you will enjoy the run even if we aren't on the same view.

PS : About the 6 extra trick, you can consider about 30 seconds more after the last menu.

AntarcticaSonata2 years ago

I will send you my old WR and the TAS i made for the category in few days, you will get a better opinion for the situation :) (good run btw).

AntarcticaSonata2 years ago

Well i will give you my answer proprely about how i saw the thing when i runned the category :

  • So basically, the idea was to make an RTA category for players which wasn't eager to do ILs run. It can be understandable by the thing that the best of them which are on the leaderboard took a bunch of hours to only save few centiseconds to improve the score on each courses.
  • This idea was also supported by the fact that no RTA category are included on the 1080° Snowboarding speedrun page. So its was decided to put something on the board. TheLuge opened the category and posted his time on the board.
  • i followed the thing alongside retrixfox. But the problems started about how we should run this category, in the meaning of putting some clear rules (for example, are you obliged to complete things which didn't trigger or unlock anything (such as doing the 6 extra tricks on training?)).
  • The second problem was the lack of activity on the category. We were only 3 runners, and technically 2 actives on the year which the 100% was included, and until the end, no one tried to do a run about it.
  • The third one is about the software. In RTA view, WIIUVC is the best console to play for a 100% for 3 reasons : 1/ the lack of lagging ; 2/ Short loadings between map ; 3/ less input lag. We can easily estimate than the difference between NTSC N64 and NTSC WIIU is around 3min (probably more), so i let you imagine the problem for PAL versions...
  • Finally, i even think than this category is more complicated to do for a beginner than ILs. It needs an overall good knowledge for the game and how you should do the routing.

If i should give you an advice is to try running this category on your side, even if the game can be finished in less than 50 minutes (even without being a top player), i would recommend you to do ILs. Its could be less enjoyable or kinda hard at a certain level, but it is much easier to do than a hundo.

AntarcticaSonata2 years ago

https://www.nintendo64ever.com/Previews-Jeu-Nintendo-64,2,1080-Snowboarding,1.html

Here is a website which repertories (possibly) every European magazine talking about 1080° Snowboarding before his release (1998). Sources are different but we can notify france/United Kingdom/Spain. Click on the image if you want more informations. I also planify to talk more about them in few days.

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AntarcticaSonata3 years ago

Savestate run VS World record pastebin :

Crsytal Peak : https://pastebin.com/KqbQA3tF Golden Forest : https://pastebin.com/rY4Xq0Rd Mountain Village : https://pastebin.com/vrLDpSA4 Dragon Cave : https://pastebin.com/E1FTTrh0 Deadly Fall : https://pastebin.com/khwNrmZq

for more information about it (notably with screenshots), check out the 1080° Snowboarding MS/TAD/LOTAD discord server here : https://discord.gg/ZjQpbCn

(PS : i didn't make a crystal Lake comparison between the 1:02.20 and the 1:02.27 because the match race irregularity is too important to make it).

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AntarcticaSonata4 years ago

No need to thanks , hoping my ones will continue to help for a bit of time and the players increase their pbs too! :D i will come back at some point with a true TAS and the discoveries i did with the other discord!

(PS: no need to worry about the videos , they will stay until someone show a video of a better time)

AntarcticaSonata4 years ago

Ok , i will stop here and pass on WR64 , good luck.

AntarcticaSonata4 years ago

Congrats russell, you got me here , so i can let you the keys to the experience?

AntarcticaSonata4 years ago

1/17/38 Golden forest : saving a frame on the jump before the trees bridge and did a masterpice zigzag saving another one before that.

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AntarcticaSonata4 years ago

1/06/75 Deadly Fall : saving a fraction of frame on the beginning , fraction of frame doing the ZBA technic before alcove , half a frame on the alcove and a fraction of frame in the end.

this is my most proudest (with crystal lake) Multi segment i ever did :D .

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AntarcticaSonata4 years ago

1/05/76 Deadly fall OOB : doing the run with the 79 glitchless ghost , good one to take.

75 on Deadly fall will depends on the beginning of the race , testing everything on live with one of the best player and trying to follow our opinion and path wasn’t enough to pull it. I will surely not give up , but the chance of the 75 still extremely low at this point. I will show it to everyone soon the 2 new 79 i got , this could be useful for us. :)

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AntarcticaSonata4 years ago

Btw , almsot forgot about Deadly fall but i find the way to get the perfect start just before moguls , after the beginning , while you are on the air , press A and you can save a frame (just found it 10min ago so the 75 is on :3)

AntarcticaSonata4 years ago

so , i did some test and its kinda like at least a fraction of frame saved (maybe half idk) but i doubt this will bring me the 17(13) on CL , i need something else and this will be good to aim for it for a bizhawk TAS :) .

(btw i will focus on DF glitchless MS this month exclusively (on live) at the mid-end of december exactly , Good luck for the players to focus on it!)

AntarcticaSonata4 years ago

he did a jump on the cliff , what is more interesting is his shortctut , i knew the ZBA technic was good to use barely , i will speak with the other 1080 discord server about that and we will take a better view on it. thanks for the sharing. (If i have the will...)

AntarcticaSonata4 years ago

1/22/69 dragon Cave : saved 1 frame to the beginning to a better position piercing the snow floor.

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