It is supposed to be the difficulty mode but i don't remember what are the changes.

Oh my god the cadillacs board is a "mess" if you catch the game of word.

I'll see what i can do to bring this in the next couple of days. Doesn't lock people from doing runs way before. Good luck.

In the way the board is displayed at the moment it is not possible to interject a 2 player category inside a category with variable and add other variables on top of it.

At the begining i wanted to create separate game pages, in order to just mod the Genesis one that i was running and make it a series cause the ports/arcade aren't the same but the admin refused and told me to make only one single page with everything in it.

Yeah private videos shouldn't be allowed on boards. Unlisted still let you see the video with the link but not private.

I stand by the point, Hard is indeed the "Normal" mode of SOR4, people will have absolutely no trouble adjusting to playing on Hard since it's the same mode, IF they actually were working on the run, i take the blame for not implementing this earlier. The devs made that unclear trying to emulate SOR2 difficulties name.

On the cut difficulty side, well, in SOR1 they are and SOR3 only have 3 default, on SOR2, the success of this board is in most part due to a lot of "let's play posted" it's a popular game by itself and very easy and accessible. Even a simple console separation was enough to provoke a riot on this board so it's just staying in this state so far. I still think there's way too much difficulties for nothing.

The game is young and comparing a completely different speedrun to this one isn't the good idea. There's minutes of differences due to RNG, Health value change on 2, SOR4 got nothing, it's a matter of a second, for what we know it could just be exactly the same speed because the AI is the same, Values are the same, you only take 34% more damage on spamming your special which is less used overall and recovered on combo loops.

As for the retro characters, i agree with you.

The rules state Story mode is not allowed because we can easily splice runs. I can Name them Arcade back even with Boss Rush mode being down there. There's no problem with that.

Your voices have been heard and i'll make some changes to the board with a video following, explaining everything to you. I lock this thread for now.

I can understand why it's frustrating in a way but the characters have their own speed mobility, it won't work on game modes like Mania (due to special consuming too much HP) but floyd can go as fast as adam just by air special, like axel and they ALL have infinite combos.

I find that very curious that Axel is so much hated on boards when he's as good as the others.

I can't separate them into 200 categories just because people want 200 WR. It would've been a consideration if the game didn't had Retro characters, different builds on all platforms and so many pointless difficulties. Sometimes you have to make tough decisions.

Now we can only test this board and see how the new patch / future DLC will change the game balance.

One thing i can always try if Adam is really a problem would be to

• Remove pointless difficulties (Normal/Hardest) that are just Minor tweaks. Easy change the run by adding spam specials, Hard is the real Normal mode, Mania is the complete Hardest mode.
• Force all the Retro characters categories in Misc.
• Open the full cast categories

The characters are all fast and Patch will Nerf Adam obviously as well as some broken moves and abusive infinite from other characters, Blaze seem to get it and some retro characters as well. For now i've seen 0 runs proving he's top tier, everyone is at the same speed so far.

You're talking about 54th positions but there's no runs. No data, no comparisons.

I need those data to see if there's really an issue.

The last point would be, this is a Speedrun board, competitively you have to take the best character and not your pocket pick, if you wanna push someone else it's up to you only. Versus fighting game doesn't ban the top tier characters for that too.

(If you really want to only compare your character there's also the option to filter by characters, cause it's a variable, i'll arrange them to be in order of the categories so you can select your character name and it will only show runs with him.)

The line down is about the patch you have to enter, some people could've been confused by the numbers so i added which version they correspond in the rules.

Hello fellow Speedrunners, Guess what ? I'm French, it's already the 15th here, so let's open the Board !

All the categories and Rules are posted, be sure to read all that mess, it was a nightmare to do. I'll try to track the patches on each versions.

For the future categories, Individual level will be considered and of course, it has been confirmed, there will be DLC as well.

Have fun, let's Break this game !

Some IGT are very inaccurate in new games in general and very cryptic (I look at you Yakuza games haha) And knowing their scoring system is already broken, i've contacted the developer to have further info about it to be sure.

To quote him "The timer is in frame,... so it doesn't matter if the game is slower or faster on a platform as no frames are skipped"

So there we have it, excellent news, we're going to use IGT.

Hello fellow Speedrunners, after the high demand, spam on pretty much all my social media places i decided to dump the game in.

The categories and submissions will be available the 15th in order to let people the time to discover, play, enjoy the game then start routing and speedrun it at their will.

If you have any suggestion for the categories please feel free to add a comment, thank you for your patience.

Have fun.

My old runs were done on a 14+ years old vista computer, it's totally possible to run Genesis games on crap pc.

You just need to downscale your screen capture with OBS, there's a lot of people that stream on 16:9 upscaled and it looks terrible. Go 4:3 and downscale at least x2 or 4.

Then put little to no bitrate (enough to be in 320p 480p)

People think HD is the real shit but all retro games were low res so it wont affect your quality

You can also save up computer CPU by lowering audio quality encoding as well

The file format that is the best for local recording is .MP4

Make sure you're playing in window mode, small, so there's no lag/freeze, i used to play on a game boy sized window when recording my runs.

The concept art could look great on the page :

https://imgur.com/HbGV4mx https://imgur.com/HAGwb35

You can add the characters by editing the videos on existing videos =)

Thank you for the update i'm doing some derusting right now, only in the 15mins range runs so far. I will post here the pictures and logos for the look of the board when i finish them

It take me a long time cause i'm on a big project for my stream (marathon all existing beat 'em ups)

Jean is totally different she's slower by default cause she got less combo hits but more Grab combo chain, she can go up to +13 combo on the floor but grab are extremely long to pull off and seem to do less damage.

However it's fine, i'd just suggest you to add them as variable then, it doesn't create any other category, just show who's been played, example here with the sailor scout : https://www.speedrun.com/bssmr

I'll get to work and run this game again with my new pc :)

Hello @KelbySakaluk

• i've been wondering why you didn't separated the characters considering they're pretty different in their stats.

If you don't want to and it's perfectly understandable i may suggest you to add a variable with their names so we can state which character was played when we submit the run.

• The second question is purely cosmetic, i always like to decorate pages and i'd be down to create some background/logo/icons for the page if you're willing to change it. It would make the page more attractive :)

• Concerning the regions that aren't added i was wondering if the Japanese version got differences.

• There's also a DLC pack that used to be released on their SEGA website, i was wondering if those are allowed in a run. There's a costume pack, Cindy as a playable clone of jean and a stun gun.

Hello my fellow Speedrunners, i have finally changed the whole board to implement a new category and it was not easy !

Blindfolded Runs can now be posted on easy mode only due to the other difficulties being impossible to manage without vision.

The other categories got changed to support a single variable in order to make the new category work which means i had to move your runs 1 by 1 (INCLUDING THE OBSOLETE ONES) in order to match their respective old category.

If a runner lost his run / PB on the board please, make sure to contact me by mail on the site or Discord/Twitter. It is possible i missed some of your runs so don't panic if they're not here.

Thank you for your attention guys and GL on your next runs !

I like that @MedTechSpurs make some points instead of just crying out loud for no reasons. I do have to say some of your points are valid, there's no right or wrong in both side, it's just complex and stupid at the same time. I'll explain this :

1. That's just being lazy. It's pretty simple to read, don't even try to say that when the game already allow pretty bullshit stuff with xx categories.

2. There's more than one genesis game and communities have different rules according to the game, Sonic community is far from being perfect and console players have long left the boards out of rage from the new rules cause you need to be on emulator to get the best times now with the new tricks, not adding the fact that they time their game differently too, it's a pair of dramas that's still up now and piss of most of the old sonic players. It's good to point one side but i can also point to leaderboards that are genesis and have also separated Console without problems.

I know the emulators runs all differently, and there's more tests that has been done with more emulators, steam is the fastest too, the mega SG also run faster despite being insanely close to the genesis models. Taking notes of that i've been thinking about doing something as well, however following boards like Sonic i'd be forced to ban emulators, restricting people with specific rules. The problem here is, this is really something that will annoy people, there's more emulator runners and the 3/4 of the runs need to be deleted applying those Sonic rules for example. This is a massive change that i recall not wanting to do, not counting the fact that Mania and Veasy are still cheat code being used, people cranking life up too, this is pretty much one of the only game that allow this kind of practices. The other thing too is that there's a little community here, despite some of you saying SOR2 is huge, the playthroughs are indeed massive on the board and people barely understand what the heck they're doing, they just record their game, learn nothing, call it a day and even doesn't read the rules according to the timing method. Imagine now these guys being forced to do all the emulator rule practices. They won't bother posting runs anymore.

3. Not separating emu from OG hardwares does not make it fair for console players.

4. Competition isn't a problem, you can have competition about everything, how you want and have fun either way, there's people doing boards on other websites, you don't need to stick your run on a category to compete and have fun either you can even create your own bullshit category and have fun no one will break this. Having the console player that is on top saying he doesn't give a fuck about equality on behalf of others doesn't mean all console players think like that. It was already being done by one who cared about this too (Galedog) but it was met as a "cheating process" so the mod left this board out of exhaustion just to let this burn. Now it's an emulator player trying to do that and it's met like a "fun breaker" how comes ? The reason there's no console players is simple, SOR2 board is bad, console players are rare and this little % of players doesn't want to run on this board... they're serious people and you could also point the fact that it's a bad speedrun but that's something else. You gotta think that too, why they won't run here ?

The thing is, Genesis hardwares won't last eternally and in the near future all of that gonna be only emulator. So even if only a few players actually speedrun this game out of all the runs, there will be someone that will beat the console time and the console players will never have the chance to get back to this. This is my concern about this. Something has to be done, i don't want to let the console rot.

I also want to reinforce the emulation rules but trying to find a good moral ground to not severely impact the whole leaderboard. Sometime you need a kick in the nest to wake everyone up. So i'm curious to ear what's your solution for that. Reverse the process like it was before won't help it'll just be back to garbage point. I want something done for rules and i want consoles to be out of this mess.