Texas, USASSR said it all. Mellow mode has slower, simpler movement, and starts every level and checkpoint with full health. If you're looking for an easy mode speedrun, nobody's going to stop you, but you're not going to get a leaderboard, it's too similar. Any% classic is simple enough as it is, and if you're really worried about dying, there's always Player 2 to back you up if you have some trouble levels.
Why is there All collectibles and 100% for ILs? They're pretty much the same and I don't understand why the same category is on there twice.
You mean a seperate board? Having All Collectibles and 100% is useless, so I'd definitely vouch for adding no-badge and normal 100% as seperate boards over All Collectibles and 100%/
Damn, I NEVER thought of skipping levels and then coming back. That's actually really clever... Snowball skip looks in my head at least, to be a decent timesave, and since you unlock the fire melon badge in 5-4, there's VERY little backtracking at all.
There was no decision, one mod said before that there was nobody interested in it than me, and used that to justify closeing the thread. This obviously needs to be rediscussed, as there is now obviously an interest in this category by others. We never discussed which category would be more interesting, nor had any interest in a conversation at all, and the only reason 100% w/badges was chosen was because "the game allows badges", which is a pretty poor justification imo, as saying "the game has it so we should allow it" doesn't seem to become valid when you ban amiibos for no reason. :^)
Can all collectibles be either taken out or replaced by 100% no-badges for ILs? Given collectibles is a misc category I think 100% no-badges has an equal chance as well, and it's not a topic of debate which is "more different", which was brought up for no-badge RTA, playing a level 100% with badges is significantly different from vanilla than doing 100% w/badges while not worrying about health, and often a good collectible IL will be 100% and have full health ANYWAYS. This idea wasn't even all mine, I simply noted that SEVERAL ILs by macormania are badgeless, and there's definitely a distinction by him, so it would feel cheap to simply get an IL WR simply by using badges.
I also found an interesting snowball skip strat in 5-1 with firemelon badge, not unlocked until 5-4 so useless in RTA, but probably useful for you IL bros.
This fourm thread is for discussing 100% strat science and so on. I'm also using it to ask a question, someone mentioned, I think it was demolition, that mellow mode helps 100% in one level, and which one is that? I'm interested to see where it could help out and what cool stuff that could lead to.
" It's just the way the game is", most people play the game casually without using badges, it seems silly to argue that it's the way the game is, again see my Smash analogy with items. It's not really the way the game is, and it's easily played without them. Everyone here defends badges like they're weird to take away, when I don't see this argument for how they're a part of the game and so on, when I could just as easily see a speedrun community embrace no badges as much as you guys embrace your badges. No comment on the speed badge, but it's relieving I suppose to know it trumps the magnet badge at times.
Also, to everyone saying there's minimal changes between the categories, instead of saying that, how about you try to reach an educated opinion about the differences between the two, and try to say which is the best? Because badges look like easy mode to me, and that is not the best. There's two possible ways to run 100%, and instead of trying to find which is the best and most competitve and fun, you're denying one the option and not listening to what the new 100% runners want whatsoever. Blanketed just, allowing badges by default makes absolutely no sense to me and doing something just because it's allowed seems stupid and completely without forethought.
Also, for reference to my video, almost every clip of gameplay used with badges is from a level difficult to do normally and get 100%, but I got them all flawlessly with badges, again hinting at it being easy mode!!
So you're rating a category which nobody has ever done before and stating it's not different enough? How are you qualified to speak and rate a category which you have never run? Or anyone? Nobody has ever run 100% with badges, only without, and that's me. Nobody has tested it seriously, except for me. Very few people play this game either, I'm the one who streams it almost every day and has the discussions in my chat with people interested in running this category. Putting this category as a major category affects none of the moderation whatsoever, and I notice that you ignore my rebuttal to the "clutter" statement, perhaps acknowledging that it was opinionated nonseense afterall. I see absolutely no reason why the moderation of this leaderboard, few of whom actually play the game actively and none of whom play this category, are relentless on denying the 100% category with the highest skill ceiling an actual leaderboard. How do you expect the Yoshi's Island (SNES) runners to take this game seriously, or anyone comparing the two, when there's bullshit like the fire immunity and fall-in-a-pit-no-problem badge running rampant?? It's literally impossible to die to falling in your category. The badges make the game viable for completion by 5 year olds, and you're enforcing those badges as if they're competitively interesting. Where's the risk? Where's the interesting gameplay? It's all gone by badges. Casuals playing this game die, they play the game like intended, they aren't invincible like the people exploiting the game with watermelon and other invincibility badges. Not all levels are broken, but a decent amount are, and once 4-8 passes, and you unlock the magnet badge, and you don't even need to have levels broken by watermelon or lava badges to have the game broken on another plane, collecting is absolutely stupid with that badge. I've had more than 1 person tell me they're discouraged from running this game and category due to the moderation being so against it, when they clearly don't see eye-to-eye with the players. Hence why I made this video, and again, I simply don't understand why the moderation absolutely refuses to put this category on the boards, with no loss to them, me insisting the categories are difficult, the weird "clutter" excuse out of the way, and it absolutely being the most competitive form of 100%. It's not just that the category allows for mistakes, it's much more than that.
You guys don't have to understand why I and others like what we like, but please, respect our opinions, as I do yours. I'm only asking for fairness and the same treatment any% gets. I assure you, 100% with badges is a lot less interesting and as one in the community with some of the most time in the game, I can say that with a decent amount of weight. I didn't think I needed to prove myself to get this thought across, but I guess I'll have to make a video about this to show what I mean in action...That will be up in a few, getting a couple of footage and rendering isn't too much of an effort obviously, lol.
Hi. I just finished a 9 and a half hour 100% run, to find out it was moved to misc. From what I understand, misc categories are categories that have low competition and low anything, basically meme categories.
I want to know why no-badges 100%, a category several people are interested in running is being pushed aside like a meme category due to unexplained fear of "clutter". 5 categories on a leaderboard doesn't seem cluttered at all, especially relative to games like Ocarina of Time where there's more than that. There definitely seems to be no method to this madness, as with a game with as much category potential as this, 5 categories seems completely fine, far from clutter at all. Looking across speedrun.com, several games have 5 categories, and it doesn't come across as a mess at all. If anything, the only explanation is some bias and moderation opinion of what clutter is that doesn't treat 100% the same as any%, with 100% not being allowed a badgeless category like any%. I see no difference between 4 or 5 categories are far as visual/aesthetic look, and with a category with as many people interested and potential as badgeless 100%, and any% badgeless being a thing, I relaly don't understand why this treatment is being dealt.
This category isn't niche, and it isn't lame, or memey, or miscellaneous at all, and I really don't understand why it was on the main boards for a few days and is off now, and why there's an insistence by the moderators for any% to have 3 variations and 100% to only have one(on the main boards). I assure you this category is legitimate and competitive and several people want to run this fucking thing, and don't understand why the mods are trying to ignore what I and harpoon and another_castle and others show at least, as a group, SOME INTEREST in running.
I was under the impression it was banned, not trying to force any rules.
Can the rules be clarified more? There's some grey area I feel like, with social speedrunner mentioning in my chat that amiibos are banned, and another runner in my chat being confused as that's stated of course, no where. Ambiguity should be removed by stating on all categories amiibos are banned, and for 100%s, that mellow mode is banned as well.
Can we please get a comment on this? Misc leaderboard or main leaderboard, this category at least desrives SOMETHING. I am of the opinion that 100% no-badges deserves a main leaderboard, akin to what any% has, as I beleive it is a legitmate category of merit at the least, on par with any% and it's badges and no badges boards. I think badges really cheese the run and running without them add more fun, competition, and chance for clutch gameplay, and again, think it deserves the same treatment any% classic gets. I'm not asking for some niche category like All Collectibles, which seems much more fraudulent than this, as it's literally 100%, without full health collecting. Pretty weird. I'm asking for a main leaderboard, on the site, for a category I and others are very interested in, and I personally have pledged and dedicated a lot of time now and in the future to run this. I tried running with badges, as per your suggestion, and things became slightly interesting, but as the game went on, things became more ridiculous the longer I considered them. Running 2-1 with watermelon badge felt like cheating, with every enemy dying in one hit and removing all need for eggs and cool egg and platforming tech. My viewers watched for WAY too long last night, as I struggled to kill Baby Bowser without taking damage. With badges? Just put on a fire/lava immmunity badge and it's a breeze. Badges seemed like cheating and easy mode to me, and I'm again, not alone in this sentiment. Not to mention, after 4-8 you unlock the magnet badge which makes difficult collecting a breeze, and then it REALLY starts to look like easy mode, with no eggs needed at times with watermelon seeds, collecting sometimes being nullified by magnet badge, and there LITERALLY BEING NO FINAL BOSS, as fire badge takes care of this. I can only imagine how easy world of wool, (Egg-S) would be with badges, as the level doesn't always give you a million eggs, and watermelon would take care of that, as well as my main struggle in that level being to not take damage in the sand section, which the fire badge would take care of... With no dedicated runners for All Collectibles or All Levels, meanwhile 100% is being discussed by many, I really think it deserves the same treatment as any% with its badges and no-badges leaderboards, and hope the mods can agree.
Oh ok lol. Well whatever ye, I'm fine with the rules it just seems really awkward to have to go to the enemy gallery and see what enemies I missed, but I guess that's a worst case scenario type thing so it's fine.
I meant the star on file select, not the pause menu stuffs. What is the criteria for getting a star on your filename?
Can we have a discussion on the other criteria for 100%? Having to defeat all enemies and listen to all songs sort of ruins momentum in my opinion, and you could very easily say it's not needed for completion as they don't count towards giving you a star on your save file. As far as I know, you get a star on your save file when you 100% every level, so in my opinion, to allow for maximum momentum and creativity, you could have 100% just need to get that star on your save file.
