Oregon, USAOkay let's go over some examples with comparisons, since it really just feels like you don't actually understand the situation with Oculus.
The Oculus Quest is the mobile line. The Oculus Rift is the PC line. In terms of Nintendo, we could view the Quest as the DS and Rift is Wii.
You are right that sub products should not have to be separated, as that could get real annoying and silly real quickly. But this is not the case with the Quest versus the Rift. Like your quote says, they are separate lines of products that will have different generations (I honestly don't know how this quote could support your case, btw).
You would separate the DS from the 3DS because they have different games, different hardware, etc. You would NOT separate the DS, DSi, DS Lite, etc, since they are simply sub-products of essentially the same thing.
Rift to Quest is not DS to DSi. This is not a sub-product situation.
There are in fact sub-products - namely the Rift S https://www.oculus.com/rift-s - and I would not support splitting them up. We're really not trying to complicate the situation. The reality is that lumping in two+ completely different headsets under "Oculus VR" would be the real way to complicate the issue. I already have to deal with version differences with people using the SAME headset on their computers because of differences between Steam and Oculus store versions. To then have to also figure out whether the person under "Oculus VR" is actually using an entirely different kind of headset...well that would suck. There are already many mechanical differences between the Rift and Quest versions of SUPERHOT VR, even though they for the most part look entirely the same. This isn't just a theoretical issue: it is already the situation with one of the few games I've played so far.
I completely get that VR is a small thing right now, and you don't wanna overload the site with stuff. I also get that Oculus and other VR people have done a weird job communicating the full situation with headsets. I think I've done a reasonable job of clarifying the situation, so the best you can do is take my word as someone who has been deeply invested into the VR ecosystem. Would be great if you changed your mind and gave us an Oculus Quest system to list for people, but if not I'm sure we'll survive.
I appreciate all the discussion regardless of the results :)
Hey, SUPERHOT VR mod here!
The Oculus Quest is absolutely a separate device that should get its own listing. It's like the difference between 3DS and Wii U honestly. Sure, there are games in common like Super Smash Bros, but they're easily different enough to separate. Many alike ports even are given different names, like "Robo Recall" on the Rift versus "Robo Recall: Unplugged" on the Quest. Like Tenka said, they often have to be changed because of the vast differences of hardware (mobile GPU vs monster PCs), so it's definitely significant.
Games on the Quest have to be specifically set up for the Quest, are designed in terms of user experience and software based around the specifics of the Quest, and are sold on a store that distinguishes between Quest and Rift games. https://www.oculus.com/experiences/rift/ versus https://www.oculus.com/experiences/quest/
There are even games that are Quest only, such as Vader Immortal: https://www.oculus.com/experiences/quest/2108775495884888
There is no real basis of claiming the Quest to be "close enough" to the Rift for it to not deserve its own category. It is very much a new, distinct system.
Back when the rules were made there was no reset disc. I haven't looked into the differences between file erase and the reset disc. It's probably fine assuming it really resets your progress. Hop onto the discord if you have more questions or want to pursue this more or whatnot. I check it a lot more regularly. https://discord.gg/9E4FJ8h
Thanks for making one! I thought of doing one when I got the page setup, but there weren't enough people. Probably justifiable now!
Great! Thanks for getting it all sorted out.
Out of town until Monday, but once I'm back I'll crank out a run no matter how mediocre it is.
I'll also write the basic rules for the run, and make a guide for that one known glitch.
I assume it's okay if I add the person who I was talking to as a moderator?
Okay cool, I redid the submission for SUPERHOT VR as a part of the SUPERHOT series. I still have my original submission pending that is not under the series. Should I cancel that?
I've been talking to be people about it and messing around with speedrunning it. I also submitted the game a few days ago, since i hadn't seen this post. Oops.
I'd be happy to moderate it, and found another person who is. We've discussed the timing times a bit already, but still need to figure out the details.
I did this very not serious run to get things started: It's probably not going to be usable on the boards as i think we're going to have it setup differently, but that's what the game looks like.
Have found one glitch so far. Here's my Reddit post on it: http://reddit.com/r/oculus/comments/5ikypb/i_call_it_the_gun_show_loophole/ Barely looked at the glitches used in normal SUPERHOT, but they didn't look applicable. Going to try not to split up into Any% and Any% Glitchless, since I don't wanna divide the community. With just the gun show loophole, it really shouldn't be too big of a deal anyways.
Would be happy to run the page for this game, but the more help and voices the better.
