this means if everything goes well, you can farm 6m halos within 8-9 mins. with these halo, you can buy out: brace of time (1m) climax bracelet 1(2.5m) climax bracelet 2(2.5m) provided that using platinum code in speedrun is allowed or using platinum code has its own sub-category

however, if you play normally and get a really decent run, i think you may beat this strats, since 8-9 mins is a huge time loss in its own right.

i was somehow conservative before. After using all the resources and optimising the strats, you can farm more than 3m halos. Early on I thought we could only farm up to 1.7m halos.

all two videos are done with new game save file and infinite climax difficulty 3M halos farming (you need all the kinds of lollipops, red hot shot and as much moon pearls you can get after you finishing chapter 1; gaze of despair required; hornet within required)

230k halos when first playing prologue

the 3M halos farming video are not that hard I believe, since you have one red hot shot and 4 yellow pops at your proposal.

first prologue fight would be challenging, you need some practice to not get hit

if you have any questions ,feel free to ask

Not sure there can be much things to discuss. IMO, since player have all the resources at his disposal in NG+, maybe we should restrict the difficulty at Infinite Climax only. The pros are: 1. we wont make category too separated. 2. with all the resources here, infinite climax is not that hard to beat. Remember we only have 4x16 = 64 pops for each kind in our NG category, and in NG+ we could have 198 pops and half of which are mega pops. Not to mention we have all the powerful bracelets in NG+.

Anyway, since I will not run this category in the near future, I would say if there are people actually running in NG+ category right now, they can have bigger voice over me. I guess I dont have reason to deny an actual video done at different difficulty.before me. But if there's no people running in this category currently, and we community just want to set a guideline, I think we'd better restrict the difficulty at Infinite Climax only

Thanks for the replying, Ace.

I wrote 4 paragraphs of text to show you why I am right, but finally I choose to delete them all.

Action speak louder than words, maybe I do should record some videos and share them with you. I think after watch these video, you wont consider this bracelets strat so unfeasible. Sure you need time to farm required halos and that's not a small number, but it can still beat some normal run that are not quite decent(ie. visit shop too often or died too many times.)

For me, it not the bracelet strat that is ludicrous, the problem here is that for mods, they think they have reason to forbid it, and I somehow agree with them, though my reasons are quite different with theirs.

This farming strats work for Rosa doing infinite climax run, since you can buy out all the witch heart and moon pearl. With all the witch heart purchased from shop, you can have 1 full HP bar, which could make you withstand 1 hit in some scenes(of course, you can still be 1 hit dead in other scenes). Otherwise, since you cant stack red lollipop and purple lollipop, this starts cant beat current strats. ie, in my Bayo run or my Jeanne run later, I wont buy any witch heart, so this strats is useless for me.

if you do need a video, you can check Of course, in this video the uploader equipped climax brace 2, and we dont have that with the new game file. So we could only get up to 1.3million halos (with climax brace 2 and full updated bar of magic orb, you can easily farm 3m halos per run.) Since the capture card is not available for me now, so I can't upload my own video right now. But after watch this, I doubt you will need to see my own video.

As for the "cheat code thing", I would rather consider it as an alternative way to get these bracelets. It definitely not a simple cheat code like we see in AOE or Warcraft3: We type "bigdaddy" in AOE, we instantly get a armed car which can launch rocket. And you input your so called cheat code into Bayonetta 2, you get NOTHING. The platinum set a mechanism to prevent you from get these things cheaply. As they describe themselves: the price for these items is "striking" (衝撃のボッタクリ価格)

But like I said, I am OK with the decision, since this strats is quite "heretic", I would somehow embarrassed that I hold the 1st place with this strats, while someone play normally and only get a 2nd place.

Thank you for the reply.

You have listed two reasons that shows us why this strats cant be allowed. However, reason 1 can not stand as a REASON. You can only using Rosa to farm halos at this speed. That's Rosa's internal trait, and is not realised by ANY controversial methods. What is controversial here is the acquisition of the two bracelet, but farming halos using Rosa does not involve this.So either Rosa farm halo way faster than other characters or other strats for other characters take too long to farm halos can not stand as a reason to prove this strats should be disallowed. Let's just say, I did a Rosa run, I didn't continue my run until I farm 500k halos from prologue because I just want these amount of halos, that would make my run invalid? It takes time to farm halos and I am willing to spend such time in the run, how could that be not allowed? This is ridiculous. All these halos are acquired legitimatly from in game, and there is no rule that forbid replaying former chapters, right?

reason 2 could stand as a reason. But I have my own thoughts. Yeah, sure, for the sake of argument let's just say it is a cheat code. But this is not simply a cheat code, you cant get get these two bracelets by simply input these code. You need time to farm the required amount of halos, and it would probable take 20-30 minutes, which is a HUGE time loss. (And please keep in mind that when play prologue, 1 hit would make you dead. You can't change difficulty, since if the halos are acquired from lower difficulty, your infinite climax run would became invalid, since there are things that are acquired from another difficulty.) Ok I am not a typical speedruner, I start speedruning game from last year. To me, it is interesting that people could using every glitch to save time or gain extra benefits. If using glitch is allowed, why "cheat code" can't? And this is not a cheap "cheat code".

Well, I must say I am quite sympathy with your second reason. But my rationale are different: This strats involve something abnormal, and is somehow quite CHEAP. Since with climax brace 1 you can always keep umbran climax state on, and characters will never die when umbran climax activated, and this will make a run become CHEAP. Honestly speaking, it could set a new category for this strats, but since there are few people running this game, it is unwise to make category too separated. In this sense, if someone did a Rosa run at infinite climax difficulty normally(which require awesome skills, since 1 hit would make Rosa dead), I am hesitating to beat his record using this cheap strat(which doesn't require much skills)——assume this strat is better. In this sense, I think I am OK with the decision that this strats is not allowed now. But your reason didn't convince me :)

By the way, I think this strats also works for 2nd or 3rd climax difficulty, but I highly doubt that it will beat current strats.

This idea come up to my mind yesterday.

1. farm 2.5m or even 5m halos with Rosa repeating playing prologue. 2.buy out climax brace 1(which gives you infinite magic) and climax brace 2(which boost your umbran climax damage). each costs 2.5m halos. 3.beat the rest chapters with these bracelets equipped on.

Of course, this could be controversial, since it is not the normal way to get these bracelets. However, this mechanism is provided by platinumgames itself, so I think it is still a valid way to get these items. Here is the link: https://www.platinumgames.co.jp/dev-bayonetta2/article/1483

And, since you need touch the screen to activate this mechanism, so if you are running a NS version, you should switch it to portable mode first, which will make the video temporarily go black.(And wiiu is ok, since you can touch the gamepad)

I did several tests, in prologue verse1, you can farm up to 1.3 m per time. So it wont cost you much time to farm 5m halos. And with climax brace1 and climax brace 2, I dont think you need to go to shop in the rest run, which will save much time.

Since I would do a Jeanne run first, which may take some months, I am glad to share with you this strats with anyone that will do a Rosa run in the near future.

And, can any MOD come in and confirm this strats is valid or not?

Sure. But in my case, things are somehow different. Take the 2nd climax category as an instance. Previously you own the record with your Bayo run, after you submit your Rosa run, your Bayo run disappeared.

For me, it is ok (and actually I am quite glad, since there are more people running this game) that someone beat my Bayo record and hold the 1st place with his/her Jeanne run or Rosa run. What I am not OK with, is that if I submit my own Jeanne run or Rosa run one day, it will make my Bayo run disappear from the list.

For sure my strats used in my Bayo run wont be the best, but definitely a good one(with the same reason you reject my suggestion of using red lolli more frequently, and I agree with you in this point, since I did not do enough research for 2nd climax), it deserves appear in the list, at least you cant make it disappear by submit a different character run.

In current settings, if you submit a new run with different character, it will override your old one.This is somehow awkward. Well, I do appreciate the situation here, since currently we have few runners running this game, we may not let the category get too separated.

But I think it is reasonable to get each character separated, since the strats for them are quite unique. Bayo and Jeanne may share same strats in some cases, but Rosa definitely not. Since you can "easily" beat Bayo's record with Jeanne or Rosa, this means your decent Bayo run(especially the strats you prepared for each verse and money management) would be overriden. And this is so unreasonable.

I did my first run played on switch today. You can check my video later. In chapter 1 verse 10, in my 2:13:48 run, which is played on wiiu, you can see while in umbran climax status, Bayo can perform a complete ppkp followed with a complete ppppp. In my new run, which is played on switch docked mode, Bayo cant finish a complete ppppp, the last p is without umbran climax effect.

Some strats in wiiu or switch portable mode wont work in switch docked mode. ie. for wiiu and switich portable mode, you can perform complete ppkp and ppppp with umbran climax effect, while for docked mode, last p of ppppp are just normal attacks.

for wiiu and switich portable mode, before umbran climax ran out ,you can perform 10 hammer swipe and safely charge your last attack to perform a charged attack with umbran climax effect. for docked mode, you can do only 9 swipe, and even so, there's chance that you charged attack will miss the umbran climax effect.

Well, there's another thing. Since NS port supports amiibo, and with right amiibo you can instantly unlock star fox costume( while you can use other amiibo to gather extra halos), I think in default category ,using amiibo should not be allowed.

Yeah, the rule/category clearly needs modify since Bayo2 ns port coming in this month, which I believe has a better performance than the original one. In this regard, playing bayo2 in wiiu will have its inherent disadvantage.

As for the 3:45 thing, I am somehow ambivalent. The rule itself has spoke the rationale behind itself, since after each reset you need "watching" a four minutes long "cut scene"(even you can control the character, you can still leave your controller on the table and after 3 or 4 minutes you will beat this level), this is really boring. However, like you said, maybe it is an unfair time especially for those start game from a brand new game file, they may take more than 3:45.

Anyway ,if mod choose to alter the rule, I hope they can verify my run before changing the rule :)

HI worsel5, thanks for replying.

Well, I let the pole dance credits run was not for compensate, just for being naughty :)

You can check the time, in this run the timer stops at 2:13:29. And my submit time is 2:17:14, you can easily find out where I added 3:45.

This is my second try running the whole game, a lot of mistakes. I lost 20 secs in the first chapter, as the split shows. I wont consider it a solid run. Since right now few people seriously running this game in infinite climax difficulty, I think there is enough room for me to play naughty :)

Consider this as typical Bayo's personality ^_^

Some strats are brand new. I am somehow content with my infernal communicator& midas testament strats. However, since general_beatrix didn't update his bayo run with star fox costume and the strats he used in his Jeanne run, I am not 100% sure my strats are better. My second try running the game from the start to the end. Lots of mistakes, should buy communicator before chapter 9. By the way, I checked worsel5's 2nd&3rd wr video, I believe he somehow underestimate the benifit those lolipops can provide. Lastly, hope switch port have a short loading time and better performance :)