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Hello! If you don't mind, I made a short video guide on how to complete this sidequest quickly. The reason being I have seen some of you (not mentioning any names) struggle a bit with it, knowing what the triggers are, in randomizers, for example. This can be helpful for people doing 100% runs as well, but I'm sure most of you already should know this, right? After a couple of decades or so playing TWW. Anyway, here's my humble video: |
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For future reference, this sidequest can be sped up by quite a bit compared to this video. You only need to take the coloured picture of Linda (you don't need to talk to her), talk to Anton once to clear his first text, show him the picture, and then talk to him again after showing him the picture. They will then be in the Cafe any following day as long as you go there during day time. You don't ever need to talk to Linda this way. |
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Do you have evidence this works? I believe I tried your version without it working, but I might be wrong. |
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There hasn't been a new SD 100% speedrun submitted in a while, so a lot of things are outdated, but if you check out any top TWWHD 100% speedrun you will see that they never talk to Linda. If it didn't work for you it's probably because you didn't talk an extra time to Anton after showing him the picture. This run is a good exemple: This works in rando since rando doesn't change those flags. |
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Yeah I have seen both that run and many other runs of people doing this. My point with this guide was that once you have gotten the Deluxe Pictobox, this is all you need to do, that is in my guide. All in all, the steps I do in my video are very few and it's quick. |
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Yeah, I still think this is a really good guide that will make anyone able to obtain the heart piece. However, this is a speedrunning forum so we should be more strict when talking about what the bare minimum is for that heart piece. This game in particular has had an history of having very bad documentation (the IGN guide itself says that you can obtain the magic armor from the Windfall auctions which is completely wrong), so I don't want slow things to be used as a reference for future routers, glitch-hunters and speedrunners. It has happened several times that someone figured out something had actually never been necessary to progress the story. Every single time it has caused a major reroute, saving way too much time for what the novelty really was. I know I was a bit aggressive and I must apology. Your video is still a very good piece of information, and an actual piece of correct documentation, thing that is not easy to find for this game, thank you very much for that! |
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I want to give this thread an update, as "further investigation" about this side quest has shown two things. Thanks to the randomizer allowing to choose starting items, I have done some more testing and now I am certain you have to do the Lenzo's assistant side quest first. Not more and not less. This was done on the latest version of the randomizer. It might also help for everyone interested to post the video description (steps) here for easy access: While I can't say I'm 100% sure you have to play it out exactly like in this video, and you could take a more casual photo of Linda to show Anton, this is how you make sure to get the desired result. Also, if Anton is a bit "slow" (like in this video and his amnesic dialog), just talk to him until the right trigger is hit, and/or show him the same pictograph again (i.e.: don't play the Song of Passing or take a new pictograph of Linda). Nothing else is needed than what's shown in the video, such as e.g. completing a dungeon or receiving some other item(s) or going somewhere and come back. |
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Except that with further investigation HD and SD are stricly identical. The flags are absolutely identical, there is no doubt about that. The information I was missing (and nobody knew about until a few months ago actually), is that one day need to pass between getting the deluxe pictobox and showing the picture to Anton. Talking to Linda can be skipped and that is done in 100% speedruns. Having to become lenzo's assistant was always known and assumed since the picture has to be in colour, and you can't get the dx pictobox before becoming his assistant, only in rando is that possible. |
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So two things. I covered in my guide here that you need to play Song of Passing before taking the color pic of Linda and showing to Anton. I doubt however that's the only trigger, since, like you see in the video, Anton doesn't "want to go on a date" just by showing the photo once to him and then talking to him. And this guide was always directed to people doing 100% randomizer runs, since the SD/HD 100% routing makes this whole quest a non-issue. Also, I don't consider myself knowledgeable enough to write guides for such routes or people. I wrote this 6 months ago as well, so I don't know why you think I am aiming this guide to hundo runners, and thus why you compare HD/SD and SD randos when the goals are so totally different and the rules and conditions as well. |
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Alright, whatever you want to say. Talking to Linda is still absolutely unnecessary and I'll make sure no speedrunner ever does that, in SD hundo, HD hundo or randomizer runs. |
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"And this guide was always directed to people doing 100% randomizer runs, since the SD/HD 100% routing makes this whole quest a non-issue. Also, I don't consider myself knowledgeable enough to write guides for such routes or people. I wrote this 6 months ago as well, so I don't know why you think I am aiming this guide to hundo runners, and thus why you compare HD/SD and SD randos when the goals are so totally different and the rules and conditions as well." Alright. But why posting it in the speedrun leaderboard page then ? There's Nothing related to randomizer in Here, just SD speedruns... |
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Most runners probably don't care to check any forum posts on speedrun.com. At least in the communities that I'm a part of (3D Zelda games), the only function of this site that gets any consistent attention is the leaderboard itself. Communication within our communities happens almost solely through discord servers, so if there is a "right" place to post this guide or start a discussion about it, it would probably be in either the Wind Waker Randomizer discord or the general Wind Waker speedrunning discord (so you would have to create an account). That aside, there definitely has been confusion about the proper triggers for this quest in the past. I personally had trouble with it before, although that's because the specific flags of this quest hardly ever come up within runs that I do, and as such, it was never a priority of mine to try and memorize exactly what they were (as I usually just forgot about it altogether after runs which may have needed it). |
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Ouch. I had written a lot of text here but got a "405 not allowed". Either way, hi Gym. In short, all that normally is missing for runners is to talk to Anton once before and twice after showing him the pictograph, as seen in my new video (I replaced the old one in my first post with the new one). So three times in total, at the same occasion. I might have made an unnecessarily big deal out of this and also come to the wrong place doing it, but I hope no one feels like I have been some sort of plague here. I only had the best intention and wanted to help out. Here's to more randos from you gym and a good weekend to everyone. =) Lastly, to avoid confusion again, the new video is this one: |
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