A few Misc. Questions
4 years ago
North Carolina, USA

A bunch of questions I have for some mods, I would appreciate a response! These were thought of as a potential way to help improve the leaderboards.

  1. Why aren't Cog Facilities (And maybe bosses, its debatable) Put as IL runs? Is it so they are more visible? I am curious

  2. I heard at one point that a person said that if someone did a full run of Donalds Dreamland it would be added. Does that still apply? I have a toon that could do that run at some point if I feel like it (The one I used for the brrrgh solo) and I wanna know for future reference. It will probably be recorded better than last time. If so, what constitutes the end? The last task before Lawbot Suit Parts? Before Bossbot Suit Parts? Or including both?

  3. Is it possible to relabel all the 1st places with no video (due to channel removal or some other reason) as such on the leaderboard so we can sort by runs with & without video to see the video 1st place? Reason being because they were approved in the past so they may be legit, but we also can't double check them. If it is too much of a hassle then fine, but I think it would be useful, since I have noticed many missing, and one that I am not sure if/how it is/was possible on TTR. (The Long Factory Solo in under 10 minutes. Not saying it is fake, clarifying that I cant see a comparison to judge for myself how)

  4. I was going to ask in this spot about the mods that haven't been active in about half a year, but honestly it doesnt matter too much for me since some of the mods are active, I just wanna leave this spot in cause Idk maybe someone else cares Shrug not worth stirring up a pot over nothing

  5. Is it possible to add a Section for No Rewards or 7s. (Bonus-less idk) onto just long and short Factories for both solo and Co-op? Would maybe help people consider running those since they dont require those things.

  6. Is having seperate videos for runs allowed, as long as they are a set length chunks and clearly pick-up right after one another? Since it is an mmo, splicing couldnt be a big issue, and the effort you would need to put in after a fail to "Reset splice" wouldnt be worth it in most cases. Even if it is just for the Brrrgh, recording for 15 hours solo single segment and uploading as one video isnt something that is easy to do, especially if you are already a bit disadvantaged by lag on said computer like I am at times. I think it should be fine, since I have seen it in some very long runs in the past and it didnt seem to cause too big of an issue, but I want to check as A. A precaution before trying to redo my brrrgh run for a good recording in that potential future and B. Something to consider in the prior mentioned Dreamland speedrun scenario. [Edited In]

  7. Should certain silly meter perks be banned from runs, since they are not easily accessable at the other majority of the time? Some can be circumvented, such as Global TP access only teleporting to where you COULD normally have access (SBHQ allowed in Dock+ because you could get sellbot tp access through the suit levels, Acorn Acres and Goofy Speedway being fine as well), but what about the Overjoyed laff meters increasing TTC survivability, therefore decreasing risk? Or double throw exp boosting speed of training in TTC? I wouldnt outlaw them all, but either we: A. Always allow them and risk optimization becoming very vote dependant or B. Set a list of Beneficial rewards and ban them (Or set specific limits for those scenarios) or C. Ban all of them so that it can be fair no matter what other than the 2 days the meter is active where you cant run Playgrounds.

Until the last one gets a response I am going to be on the safe side and NOT do it on those days and act like it is C.

Edited by the author 4 years ago
Ohio, USA

There are a lot of interesting suggestions here. When I get home from work, I will throw in my opinion about your questions.

United States

Thanks for all the questions - I'll provide my opinions on everything.

  1. The original purpose for this page was for the playground speedruns. All of the other categories were originally established on http://toontownrecords.com/records/ The reasons are purely organizational, as we want to highlight the main playground speedruns and not have everything too cluttered. I would be willing to change up how things are organized if that's what people prefer.

  2. Donalds's Dreamland should absolutely be added, especially if you want to do a run of it. The only reason it's not up yet is that we do indeed need to decide if it should be one very long run, or if it should be split up into the parts on https://toontownrewritten.fandom.com/wiki/Donald%27s_Dreamland_ToonTasks Let me know what you would prefer since you would be the first one running this.

  3. I will confirm that the runs that no longer have videos used to have valid videos, so they are not cheated or faked runs. If other people want them taken down though, I respect that since there is no longer video proof of them.

  4. The inactive mods aren't hurting anything, but I am also willing to add new mods to replace them since there's only 2 of us right now really verifying runs.

  5. Toontown Records actually has this and calls them "Normal Gags-Only." We could add an option for that, but only if there's real interest.

  6. I think everything should be done to make the run be a single video. For the later playground runs though I understand how much work goes into setting them up, so if something happens that requires the run needs to be split into 2 or 3 videos, that's fine. Obviously, don't submit a short factory video in 4 parts, but if somebody is found to be manipulating and taking advantage of this by having multiple videos, then they will be banned from future submissions. Don't feel like it's the end of the world if something happens for a brief moment in your recording of DDL though!

  7. I'm leaning towards option A since they are a feature of the game now and can't be avoided while they are going on... but I'd like to hear what others have to say.

North Carolina, USA

Thanks for the response! Here is what I think about the responses.

  1. Im not sure exactly what you should do here, but at least some people are seeing this as the main place for those runs now. A person I saw was streaming specifically to beat the coin mint record referencing what is here, so if they are left to be focused there you should clarify in the rules description that the main page is there or that this other place may have more accurate records.

  2. Im not sure on this one. As a whole playground it makes sense, and I think should include Suit parts if it is the whole playground, I also think seperating them makes sense for participation, as Megasnoop has some parts that could be put in as Co-op parts, which clearly shows shorter segments can incentivize participation. I would say to have both, but that is up for debate for several reasons at the moment, such as organization and redundancy. I will say that, in my opinion if parts become the main method, The Cashbot Suit sections should be put together because while they are coding seperated, they arent storyline seperated and are for the same goal. Then the parts with just a bunch of laff boost tasks only would be its own part because of a similar goal, and then both law & boss suits either seperate or together, if it is done in sections. Maybe if you made that IL change for facilities we could put the parts there as Levels and the Playground as one of the Playground categories? I dont know any other good way to solve that so feedback on this is appreciated.

Oh, and whatever ends up happening, I think version 2.0 invasions should not be allowed to be used for bossbot suit due to limited time and rare nature of them, so any category including the bossbot suit tasks should specify that you cannot get credit for a bossbot suit task using a Version 2.0 invasion, only through Cog Golf Courses.

  1. Because of the size of the leaderboard, I dont really care too much, it is just that it is a bit annoying when (As an example from past) you want to see ways to improve a donalds dock record to 1st place but you cant see the 1st place. I dont think they should be removed, but I was suggesting maybe marking them as if they had no video evidence as it is noticed so we could sort only runs with video if we choose to without worrying about it as much. We could leave it As-is and just maybe back up runs somewhere in the future so they arent lost like this so that the problem will slowly go away? Idk. My main concern was the factory record I mentioned, since that time may have required less lag than normal, which is something IDK how to achieve. I dont run that category though, so I would leave any conversation about that to those who do.

  2. Yeah, there is a reason I didnt seem to mind. Because some of the mods are active, it is OK I feel. The main thing I was thinking about was how less mods means more for each mod to do, but when the game is as small as this one it should be too much of an issue. Also the concern about what happens when one mod is left by themselves after another one dissapears, leaving only one. What about if both somehow did? A concern moreso because people tend to randomly stop when it comes to TTR than based in what probably will happen.

  3. I knew they had something like it. I would try and judge interest first, definitely agreed.

  4. Yeah, like I was saying, I only was even thinking about it for brrrgh and longer runs. Glad about the reassurance. My main point about it was- should we put it in the rules, or keep it as an "Unspoken Rule" to prevent abuse? Like, should we list that "Accidental cuts are OK, but intentional abuse of this is disallowed" or not mention it?

  5. I considered option B the most, but most of those rules only applying to TTC. Double Throw Exp could speed up several tasks due to earlier access to gags that can 1-shot higher level cogs. +8 Laff is a less major issue, so I would compromise on that, but it does technically help in TTC. Most of my questions stem from Global TP access or double throw/squirt exp, since the others arent very beneficial. I think it should just be ruled that: A. During double throw/squirt exp, you cant do a TTC run (Maybe even only solo depending on impact all things considered) or if you can you cannot utilize invasions for exp intentionally (You must leave districts with an invasion as soon as it benefits none of your tasks. Noting that you CAN stay as long as you dont battle extra cogs. Accidental battles are fine in this case though) B. During Global TP access, you can only use access for

  6. Places you already would have TP Access to anyway when used

  7. Sellbot HQ, Acorn Acres, and Goofy Speedway (After TTC only) Reasoning being that anywhere you wouldnt normally be able to access is unfair. Sellbot HQ mentioned specifically because you can grind sellbot suit up to get TP access to speed up the run (Especially in a Solo) so allowing it is not only leveling the playing field if they dont want to grind sellbot where someone else did, it is also saving people time, helping improve runs faster while still maintaining a fair and legitimate ruleset. Aside from that, nothing really needs to change, I just think that those 2 points specifically are important to consider to help avoid an "Impossible to duplicate unless this rarely picked team somehow wins" scenario. I do want to hear what others have to say, that is just a clarification of what option B I was thinking of should be.