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GhillieGuide7 years ago

The person making the changes only had them ranked visibly so he could make sure he didn't miss a run. They will be hidden by default Project 1.6/7 is the most apporpriate to run on for sure.

GhillieGuide7 years ago

Example Moderation Application

Username(s): GhillieGuide, The Dive King

Current Role in Community: Community Leader and Tutorial Maker with a timesheet full of mediocre times

Reasons Why You Want A Moderation Role: I would like to grow this community in activity, overall skill, and popularity!

GhillieGuide7 years ago

As of September 27th 2017 we are purging inactive mods and changing the manner in which mods are added. This thread will act as a form for moderator applications.

Moderators are expected to take part in current discussion in the moderator exclusive discord channel and verify runs from players submitting to this leaderboard. They will also take part in votes that decide changes to the leaderboard structure and rulings.

If you are interested in applying for a moderator position please leave a response to this thread with the following structure and information.

Username(s):

Current Role in Community:

Reasons Why You Want A Moderation Role:

Moderators will be added and removed by a unanimous decision between our current Super Moderators. To improve your chanced of being accepted for a moderator you should be taking part in community discussions on discord(link below). https://discord.gg/vM7MJd8

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GhillieGuide7 years ago

I have washed my hands of both my responsibilities moderating this leaderboard and my support for its current moderation. I hope this site can be more productive in my absence.

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GhillieGuide8 years ago

To clearly indicate emulator runs are not fairly comparable to runs on real consoles. Emulators usually have a lot less lag than the N64 Console for real time speedruns and so are hidden by default. It's an advantage over players recording gameplay from a N64.

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GhillieGuide8 years ago

I have received complaints about the manner in which I am conducting and have conducted myself as a moderator of this leaderboard. These complaints came from respected community members and I believe the only appropriate thing is for me to do is step down from my role as super moderator. I have left InprisonedShadow as an interim replacement until the most suitable person is chosen. It is true I wish I could have changed this leaderboards to prosper and I have failed in my efforts to do so thus far. I wish the best for these leaderboards and the people who choose to speedrun this game regardless of if it is decided I should return to moderator status.

GhillieGuide8 years ago

Conveniently no actual screen shot evidence is shown supporting any of these claims, I encourage anyone reading to go through the text history and make up your own opinions. Bullying is a crime in this country, by accusing me you were slandering my name. I didn't believe that you had the intent of calling me a criminal but that's precisely what you have done. I have made statements on this forum showing my compromises in position to legality discussion. I regret agreeing to make this leaderboards only NA N64 only but the strongest voices on the matter other than me both believe that is the best course of action. If there is any further action against me as moderator of this leaderboards I will gladly step down because my inclusion in this affair is quite obviously just a waste of everyone's time. Regardless of the accuracy of Pikashy's statements against me my efforts to make this leaderboard prosper have not met with any success and I feel my best course of action is likely to resign as moderator of this leaderboard.

GhillieGuide8 years ago

You're only repeating the opinions of Pikashy, if you believe we should have NA N64 only have the conviction to stand up for what you believe we should do. Does you and Pikashy being concerned about having empty or lowly optimized categories really outweigh the numerous times people have been frustrated when they couldn't submit a run? Does it outweigh the benefits of having a leaderboard that tracks all the versions? You and Pikashy are the only people I have ever heard complain about the lack of optimized runs on JP. We have however had a stream of complaints by ssb64 speedrunners, speedrunners interested in running the game and even mods of this website encouraging us to find a way to integrate runs of all official versions. The perception of our leaderboards is not diminished in any capacity by having a visually segregated category. Forcing people to buy the 2nd most expensive version to be featured on this leaderboards is not right, it's not encouraging them towards running on NA N64 it's flat out demanding it if they want to be featured. Segregation worked to encourage people away from running on emulator but banning it outright would have massive backlash, the same logic should apply to other official releases to form logical consistency on rulings.

GhillieGuide8 years ago

The only thing you missed was actually stating what you believe the best course of action is, as the most active runner I think your opinion is important to this conversation. I believe I have given Pikashy's opinions a great amount of consideration and attention, that being said I don't think I should value his opinion over people who actually have runs on this leaderboards in spite of his numerous contributions to the practice. His opinions should not matter more than anyone else that has submitted to these leaderboards ever in my opinion. His knowledge of version differences has been communicated time and time again on these forums and people just don't want to read large amounts of text.

To Pikashy: anything I did not respond to in your wall of text I agreed with.

I don't know what you believe is bullying but the word has a legal and criminal definition in this country and criticizing the acts of others publicly is not bullying. That is a not a fair representation of my actions. The best speedrun leaderboards have the best runs on them and this is the largest issue of perception with our leaderboards beyond any version inclusion problems. When a potential runner asks in a stream or twitter what the wr is and where the video is unless I know specifically who has the record in that category I have to refer them 2 places, this means that they have to search through your twitch history and manually compare with this leaderboards before they even decide to try running the game. They ask why and I dunno honestly why you have done it. The largest problem with the perception of this leaderboards is that it is a place of conflict and confusion for new players. The versions featured have much less of an affect than the accuracy at which it identifies the best run. I have no responsibility to represent your arguemeants publicly when I criticize you, you have the power to make public statements to defend your positions but you don't. Public critique is not slander or libel as the criticisms I have are based on actions that actually happened. If you don't want to publicly defend your actions from my criticisms that's your choice but I am perfectly within my rights to do so without being accused of actual criminal actions. I agree I haven't been nice to you and I have definitely been rude but your actions have caused considerable loss of interest by potential runners by the dozens in my eyes. If you would make the suggestion to bring your runs on with the removal of all other versions that would be a tempting offer for me to further compromise but I don't see the point of doing so just to make you happy and then still face the same problems we face now with lack of accuracy in tracking WRs as a leaderboard(the #1 function for a leaderboard). Shadow I assume from his above post wants us all to agree no matter what the decision is, when you have a disagreement with someone you can't reconcile the responsible thing to do is suggest a compromise. I have shown a willingness to compromise from my positions again and again throughout the 3 years of version inclusion discussion and the evidence is in these forums, don't take it from me look it up. I changed my position repeatedly and you haven't made a single compromise. You have the ability to record video so your positions and statements can be communicated clearly but you haven't done that, by leaving your opinions hidden in text on this forum you have essentially placed your public image in the hands of those who publicly present them in any way they interpret it.. For the most part you are portrayed positively by both myself and shadow, it's just on the topic of leaderboards I negatively paint you.

GhillieGuide8 years ago

andypanther your story mirrors what I have heard from runners not only in Europe but North Americans as well. This game's us cart is getting insanely expensive and it's being kept by collectors I know in almost all cases. The case is similar on VC, a lot of people downloaded VC at a mere fraction of the cost of a cart. My ideal leaderboards has a sub category for jp n64 and a bucket category with a possibility of us vc seperation if lots of those runs are submitted in the bucket. A compromise to what I want is what I have proposed that I think pleases almost everyone.

GhillieGuide8 years ago

Noone makes you quit speedrunning, you quit speedrunning. You have not answered a very important question I asked you and that is what qualifies someone in your eyes to be a community member because I have talked to every person who has tried running this in the past 2 years and offered them my help. A vast majority of people who I have discussed version inclusion on these leaderboards with in their stream and submitted at least a run expressed interest in being able to track all versions in some way.

When you let your personal feelings towards a person of the community have a higher priority than objective reason in discussing matters of the leaderboard you have lost validity in the discussion. Please discuss this like an adult and stop with the personal attacks. You gave up your privileges as a mod on this leaderboard and gave up speedrunning this game. You can say that my passionate and forceful efforts to revise this leaderboards have caused you to quit but that was your decision, you can only control your own actions. Why should your opinion be more valid than those who have started speedrunning in the last year and have submitted runs to this leaderboards? Noone else on this thread has expressed anything but support for my compromise, it's not what what I want but what the majority of smash 64 runners want based on my perception of their opinions. IF I am wrong in my perception i will compromise more but I have no evidence this is the case. I suggest if your another person who has submitted ssb64 to these leaderboards you state your opinion on the matter.

GhillieGuide8 years ago

Cyber Bullying is a crime in the country where we both live in, if you have criminal evidence to back up your accusation I suggest you actually present some, if you don't have any please don't accuse me of such a crime. I am well within my rights to publicly express my dissatisfaction with your actions in regards to the leaderboard.

GhillieGuide8 years ago

-administrative function of tracking runs -less division and more acceptance from speedrunners as a whole -satiating the desires of people that want to submit specifically VC times These were all stated above your last wall of text.

GhillieGuide8 years ago

I admitted to both trying to bait you into Japanese and flaming you on twitter in my above response, I dunno what you think I am replacing them with. Dismissing my responses though they were honest, direct and succinct as I could make them is frustrating. What do you want a response on? I thought I had addressed everything you said

GhillieGuide8 years ago

Responses:

  1. Having another field where only one option is selectable for submissions doesn't make sense and therefore I assumed you were requesting the removal of the variable. I do recall you complaining about the additional field

  2. In addition to the points you brought up before I do agree that Japanese is getting an unnecessary spotlight and it does not warrant a category distinction

  3. I believe you may have misinterpreted my intents in running the japanese category with filler runs, my comments on that particular stream, and my intent in adding japanese. I was running unoptimized JP runs to fill categories to make Japanese not be empty and mentioned onstream that I hoped it would bait you into trying out Japanese with little hope. My intent can be found in response #7

  4. I agree that decisions should be made by the smash 64 speedrunning community that's why I stated I would not agree to NA N64 only though I am uncertain as to what would qualify someone for being part of the smash 64 speedrunning community. Video of run in the past 2 years? 3? 5? or would it be that you have to be part of community discussion on streams etc. on an ongoing basis.

  5. My personal anecdotes that I value come from people who have submitted or would be likely to submit if VC was able to be submitted(some have runs they couldn't even submit). My twitter poll was not cited as a reference and I never personally took anything out of that poll other than most of the people following me who would bother to click would rather have it included. I never have claimed to represent the smash 64 speedrunning community and haven't even promoted it as a speedgame or even talked about it much in months.

  6. I bashed you publicly once because your concerns which I interpreted to be about perception of the leaderboards were hypocritical given your lack of support for and removal of runs from this leaderboard. That being said I don't think it was done with much tact on my part and was an emotional response driven by spite. I don't regret doing so I will not apologize.

  7. My intents with the change to US and JP. When we were discussing publicly the change in leaderboards a number of people read into the discussion that both had ssb64 runs and were/are interested in possibly doing runs. Not only did a couple voice their concern at the exclusion of categories in forums threads but also as I was interacting with speedrunners with runs of the game with the exception of a few all wanted to see some way to track runs on other versions at the least. I included Japanese because I was not only interested to see the response but also in response to those criticisms or our active community. It is true I have not been successful in my efforts but I have only had intents to foster growth. I realize I have prioritized the wants of new members and interested parties over the experienced players.

I would like to at least keep the variable for version at the very least so we have the future option to add more. I stand by my belief that US N64 and Other Versions is the best course of action.

GhillieGuide8 years ago

I won't agree to a NA N64 Version only leaderboards, it's just too divisive. On top of that the variable from region would need to be removed deleting all the runs to be resubmitted.

Leaving a bucket category is administrative in function tracking runs from other versions, that leaves the future option open to feature other categories.

Last and most importantly, the bucket category will include all official releases and our leaderboards will be more accepted by a larger majority of speedrunners. Many I have talked to are willing to voice their concerns for our decisions to exclude versions entirely. I believe this is the best compromise to please the most amount of parties.

A Final Note: I will not be submitting any IQue times to the bucket category Edit: title IMO should be "Other Versions" making it verbally separated/segregated. The addition of another button to click and another region field when runs are submitted is a small price to pay for the above advantages of a bucket category.

GhillieGuide8 years ago

I think a good compromise is to have a US N64 default category and change the JP one to other that will serve as a bucket category with all official release to catalogue and showcase the other runs with less emphasis.

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GhillieGuide8 years ago

I am sorry that I missed this post, my apologies. I still don't see why running on VC for fun you have desire to submit to these leaderboards. Without including all official releases it will not serve as a catalogue of runs and adding other versions is something that only I support and the other people who have put lots of time in the game are not in support of it. It's not the optimization of runs that matters but the lack of competition at any level.

GhillieGuide8 years ago

I haven't heard any complaints about JP being on the leaderboard, I haven't been active in the game for a while though. Anyone share pikashy's sentiments?

What do we have to gain by removing Japanese from this already version restrictive leaderboard? You can't see them by default and there isn't a huge amount of traffic on the site. There are several runners interested in doing Japanese runs in the future despite being inactive and having the option open leaves a possibility open of inviting Japanese smash bros players to post their runs here. Another good counter point is that US n64 carts have in the past year shot up in price and jp is very cheap and thus more accessible

GhillieGuide8 years ago

The guide I mentioned has been implemented into the new stickied thread on video requirements. Closing this thread, please use the stickied thread on the topic instead

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