Super Smash Bros. Melee Forum  /  NEW CATEGORY??? "unlock all characters"
  DobiwanDobiwan

I think this is a cool base idea, but mewtwo makes it awkward. My Question would be can we leave the game idle until we can fight mewtwo, and then restart the game. The timer starts, and we enter into a single 1 stock match, beat him, and then do everyone else normally?
Also I think this would need to exclude "play X vs matches" unlocks because trying to SD as fast as possible for X hours doesn't make for an interesting run

 
  NinjastarReviewForumNinjastarReviewForum

People are talking about "All Characters" like it's supposed to be this ultra interesting, heavy competition run, but I think this is meant to be an unpopular category that gets dumped in misc or into a category extension and only done by people with enough patience. I just don't think "how interesting it is" should really matter for a category of this nature. The closest thing I can compare it to is something like "Any% x25" in the mirrors edge category extension. https://www.speedrun.com/mememe#Any_x25

 
  DobiwanDobiwan

Yeah, that's fair. I guess I'm just speaking for myself on this one, but I think an all characters run would be a ton of fun due to all the 1P modes you have to dabble with, and having a sub-optimal time as a result of wanting to do that over SDing for X hours is an honest mood killer

 
  NinjastarReviewForumNinjastarReviewForum

there could a sub category like "No 1 stock SD" for people that want to do the run a different way.

 
  NamiNami

Just wanna note that if you're unlocking all stages for 15 minute melee the easiest/most consistent method for doing it would be the play as master hand glitch. It might be a bit slower since you may have to attempt it multiple times, but once you succeed all you have to do is wait. you wouldn't have to worry about a bomb KO'ing you at the very end of it.

 
  NamiNami

Unlock All Trophies, lmao could you imagine how long that run would take? And how unfun it would be?

 
  OliveOlive

I think this would be a terrible category, created only because it can exist and not because there is any reason that it should. Adding categories like this to the main leaderboard would only open the floodgates for other arbitrary meme categories, so I am against it becoming a legit one.

Just create a 'category extension' like the mirror's edge one if you want to do stuff like that.

 
  NinjastarReviewForumNinjastarReviewForum

ToxicToast1 said he would make one, so we are just waiting for it to be added

 
  GoodleShoesGoodleShoes

It could also be misc if it's really that bad of a category.

 
  mugg1991mugg1991

back when I was still racing people on speedrunslive this would have been a fun meme race goal. Definitely seems doable in 3-4 hours.

 
  FblthpGTLFblthpGTL
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I'll probably be doing a run of this at some point in the nearish future since creating "full" melee saves is one of my favorite parts of the game lmao. For my own sake I'll probably do "SD-less" where I don't SD for Mewtwo, since if you do that SDing for all the characters is way better, since you get almost every character at fewer SD's than it takes to get Mewtwo. (Seen here: I might try to stream it when I do, I might just do a VOD but I'll post here with whatever I'm doing when I know.

 
  RubberDuckyAssassinRubberDuckyAssassin

I've completed a run of this category, if this is something that people would do i have no problem making it a misc category, i think there should be a separation of categories between using versus matches and not using them. I did a run of not using them and got 8:04:47 if someone who was half good at melee did a run of this they should probably get a sub 7 lmao

 
  DerpingtonDerpington
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The issue I see with this category is why I never got around to recording one. Even after planning routes and everything to do everything you needed to do as fast as possible, I found it faster to just either SD a bunch or to something like this (https://youtu.be/h6lX-7k1lu0?t=1m13s) where you can spam vs matches over and over. If you wanted a more legit category out of this it would have to ban VS matches. Though that leads to problems with how do you handle getting Mewtwo then?

The only way I see it working out is if we were to allow players to start the timer as soon as they face Mewtwo (aka leave characters in 20hrs collective of VS matches and THEN start) that way you can avoid having to worry about semantics and the rest of the run could be done in a relatively reasonable time frame.

 
  DerpingtonDerpington

I'd totally be down for this as a legit category and I've honestly wanted to do something like this myself! There's just a few kinks that would need to be worked out first.

 
  JackberryJackberry

All stages would be easier imo. Go intimacy data and hit “erase stages” and you’ll keep the characters but lose unlockable stages, it would still be a long run but not as SD heavy as all characters. Sure you have to do 200 vs battles but that’s not bad compared to all characters

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  NamiNami
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So as Derpington and FblthpGTL’s links show, Stamina mode skips the results screen which is a huge timesave. Stamina doesn’t let you change the rules, but if you change them elsewhere it affects the stamina matches. If you change the stage select to ordered instead of On, it saves 2-3 seconds of loading the screen select each match. I’m working on finding the fastest ways to end each match right now, but with all the above alone I’ve estimated Mewtwo could be unlocked in about 105 mins, and all characters in about 130 mins. All characters may be possible in under 2 hours in a perfect run.

 
  NamiNami

Well I did it. I recorded a full run. 2:22:05 for all characters. Easily beatable if you know what you’re doing in Target Test; I obviously didn’t.

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  davidvkimballdavidvkimball

Didn't see this thread. Bump! I'd love for all all characters + all stages run. I attempted one myself, albeit not optimally, but have plans to do a better run soon.