Saints Row 2 Forum  /  Any % route improvements and discussion
  sellz90sellz90

Just ran the safe strat 4 times listening to the wire taps then going to tornado: first 2 I got the tornado using the spin strat, so there is something in that strat, 1 I parked where the police car spawns in fuzz so lost the heli one I crashed it at forgive and for forget. The third time I couldn't get the heli to spawn but the fourth time I got the Tornado after 2 spins and finished up to the end of Down payment without taking too many risks flying or landing and with no flash bangs for the shanties in 17 IGT mins. 1 level of fuzz was enough respect, there is an option to get 4 flash bangs so I think 16 IGT mins is possible maybe high 15 with a perfectly done start and the riskier strats.

It is quicker than the old strat with the shorter drive to the police station, no return flight to the safe house, fuzz instead of races and the heli for travel minus the extra time for flying to Tee N Ay it is possibly as much as 2mins difference. Another little benefit is that when taking the tornado as it is so early you only get 2 starts wanted level so no other tornados shooting you down.

I have some time on Sunday so I'll work on this then move on to other mission to see what I can find.

 
  FoxAndRavensFoxAndRavens

Nice. I'll do some testing some time in the next few days as well. If this eliminates the races, that's good. I really just want something to eliminate the need to do IF now. It's such a pain since RNG can really screw you.

 
  FoxAndRavensFoxAndRavens

I tried for about a half hour just now, 4 or 5 tries, and couldn't get it to spawn once. I'll have to try some more. I ran it the safe way, before I went to Tee 'n' Ay. I tried to get 0 stars and I opened the right door to try the spin strat. Idk how specific this needs to get haha

 
  sellz90sellz90

This is the video that gave me the idea for the spinning strat. Where he is at 2:39 is where I stand facing the door on the outside of the building and instead of running around like him just spinning the camera is sufficient to reroll the spawn.

Just when I think I have it down getting the tornado 3 or 4 times in a row I then go 3 or 4 not getting it to spawn. Even so I think this is the way to go resetting every 5mins is far more viable that every 15.

The benefit of extended sprint basically means that 3 level of Insurance fraud will always be in the route unless a better way of conserving sprint than bunny hopping is found it is a shame this is the only SR game that tapping sprint doesn’t extend stamina.

 
  FoxAndRavensFoxAndRavens

Ah okay, I've seen that. I agree it should at least be moved up. I'd probably say to try and get it after going to Tee 'n' Ay.

 
  sellz90sellz90

That Infinite sprint glitch seems to be indefinite from the small amount of testing I did with it, if it is confirmed to be permanent, the start will be:

Take appointed defender - get the tattoo – drive to the police station and listen to the wiretaps (even with the mission running this is possible I have tested it) get the tornado – call Dex to get the marker on the map (again possible with the mission running) then finish the mission in the tornado – instead of doing the races, as you will not be able as you would lose the heli, do the first level of fuzz nearby which is quicker in the tornado then do Down Payment flying back in the tornado saving it after and going to Insurance fraud from there during the first level jump out the tornado control the fall so it is a single damage hit of 30k so you don’t pass but you get adrenaline then save and load warp back to the safe house, collect money from cache get the tornado again and do the mayhem that is close to the safe house even when I do badly it only takes 3 IGT mins which is equal to my best ever Insurance fraud. From there fly to Revelations and continue as normal.

I did some timing on the riskier earlier tornado strat and basically came to the conclusion you have to be in the tornado with 40secs to go at the latest to realistically have time to fly there land safely and make it to the marker. If you get a good car and drive flawlessly you have a 20 sec cushion in which you can do the spin strat if you get a bad car crashing once will make it impossible to get there in time and even if you do you will need a first spawn to make it in time.

I would still say go for it the reset wouldn’t be that big a difference to making it and the tornado not being there.

One other thing switching the races for 1 level of fuzz leaves us down 1500 or so respect for the 1st Samedi mission there is 3 viable options to replace this

1. Do a second level of fuzz
2. Do a forth level of mayhem
3. Get 3 tags - there are 5 obvious one 2 on the inside during Down Payment the 2 outside of the HQ and 1 at the end of Revelations.

I’m leaning towards the tags as the quickest way taking the one outside the HQ after the save warp from Insurance Fraud either of the 2 inside during Down Payment and the one at the end of Revelations

 
  FoxAndRavensFoxAndRavens

At a glance, that looks like a good route. I still haven't gotten the Tornado spawn but that could easily be because it sucks haha. I'll keep trying to test this as much as time permits too. Thank god we don't really need to do IF anymore. That makes life so much easier.

 
  sellz90sellz90

Put in a few hours over the last couple of weeks on the first 2 hours of the game (up to waste not want not) just looking for the small improvements. What I have found is:

The early Tornado is a 1m 40s time saves.

The difference in respect can be bridged with 3 tags though it can be very close so the 4th tag may be
needed if you get unlucky.

Taunting kills is a good way to get extra respect in the early game only if it doesn’t waste time to do so.

Mayhem can be as quick as mid 2 mins if you get lucky with which areas you get but as much as high 3min if you get the worse possible pattern.

When picking up the kobras I pick up one flashbang from the weapons cache for Veteran Child.

During strip club stronghold you can evade the stun gun if you stand to the far right or left of the door when opening it.

Infinite sprint saves time in Prison break.

During Science Museum stronghold when you go in the glass room taking the stairs to the right is quicker.

During Museum Pier stronghold there are 3 rocket launcher gang member spawns, 2 on top of the pillars in the first part and the last on is the guy next to the car on the left as you go down to the docks as you destroy the 5 boats. They are worth picking up for later missions.

Infinite sprint saves time in both the saint’s stronghold and brotherhood 1.
Use 1 rocket in Sommerset Apartments stronghold to destroy the moving drug lab.

Infinite sprint saves time in waste not want not.

I did a practice run up to that point and all in all this saves about 5 min over my PB up to waste not want not (from 2:01-1:56 IGT) though I suspect another min IGT is there as I had a dodgy Waste not want not. Another 4 mins over the next 2 and a half hours would mean sub 4:30 RT and with some mission that Infinite sprint will definitely help and with missions being less autoscroller based later on it may be viable.

 
  FoxAndRavensFoxAndRavens

That's really good stuff. Especially the strip club stun gun thing. That damn girl always pissed me off. I tried some different things but not enough testing.

 
  sellz90sellz90

I half heartedly went through the last part of the game to find anything glaring obvious to save time and the only thing I found was in Red Asphalt. You can shoot Donny instead of beating him shoot him with one bullet wait for the whole animation to end then shoot once again repeat until checkpoint is reached not sure how much time is saved but it seems quicker I’ll time it sometime soon. There are a few missions where infinite sprint will save 30 or so sec as well.

I’m planning to do some runs on Saturday see how far from 4:30 RT the run is then I’ll go through the second half of the game in more depth.

 
  FoxAndRavensFoxAndRavens

Oh yeah, with the whole Donny thing, I think I remember just plastering him with bullets and waiting for him to quit talking. Basically just shot and left, IIRC. I don't think you need to even wait for him to keep talking and shoot him in between.

 
  sellz90sellz90

Managed to finish a good run yesterday 4:15 IGT 4:30:27RT took me an hour and 20mins to get a tornado to spawn and as a result my shooting was a bit off for the first few mission but all in all a good run. I know I can save a min or 2 in the first 2 hours of the run with better shooting and I may be able to route a few mins off in the last 2 and a half hour.

For now I’m happy and TBH I’m pretty fatigued with the game because of the tornado resets so I’ll wait until there are others actively running again so I have some more motivation to play again. Sub 4:30 RT remains the goal then from there it is min by min again.

 
  FoxAndRavensFoxAndRavens

Soon, I should be! Finished my last project yesterday and only have a few assignments left to grade. I'll be able to get some runs done after some more practicing. I really gotta rerun all the missions before I commit to an actual run.

And congrats on the time! So close to sub 4:30 😉

 
  FoxAndRavensFoxAndRavens

Holy crap, this tornado RNG is the most frustrating thing. Idk how you didn't give up in your hr and 20 mins. I almost did after 30 mins. But I think that was mostly cause I wasn't convinced I could get the tornado during the mission on the xbox. But then I did and I was satisfied again. AND it was the result of the spinning method, though it wasn't exactly spinning. I opened the door and turned around to shoot some cops and got it when i looked back. This was also not done during the countdown but before. It worked out well enough but I would have liked to get it during the countdown when I was testing that every single other time I tried 😛. Anyway, it worked and I'm glad. Gonna practice some for the next week or so and then hopefully start on runs.

Also, I BARELY didn't have enough respect with 3 tags. I'm thinking we should go for the basement of the safehouse tag and the revelations tag and leave the top 2 as last ones. That way, minimal time is wasted if we have to have a 4th. And it does seem that tags would be faster here than another level of anything.

I also started making a google doc about notes on each mission to start getting some micro strats going. Right now this is a view only link but I can provide an edit link if you want. I can PM it to you through twitch if you'd like.

EDIT: link under wrong account. This is the good link now
https://docs.google.com/document/d/12EMUwQitIqr78VoAWtj0w2B7n2iY7GGew0B87XLsaTM/edit?usp=sharing

 
  sellz90sellz90

Feel free to pm me the link I have a ton of note on specific events leading to situation strats they rarely come up but are worth being recorded.

The tags are preference there are 5 realist ones you can get any 3-4 of them will do.

On the respect Taunts are very useful it is 35 per a star and you get 2 stars for each taunt per person killed and it works on police kills and ultor kills. So for example when you kill the 4 Misako units outside the church a taunt gets you 280 respect. In a segmented run I reckon you could go with no tags and get all respect needed taunting and I expect in time it will make it to single segment when the game gets optimized even more too where sub 4:20RT is the target.

The only reason I didn’t go crazy resetting was because I remember how bad the old tornado after S3 was. After resetting after 16-17 mins of work the 4-5 mins, with half being an autoscroller, isn’t half bad. That and I mute the game so I don’t have to listen to the wiretaps over and over lol.

 
  FoxAndRavensFoxAndRavens

Hahaha that's true on the wiretaps. I gotta start doing that. And I should really keep the taunts in mind. That's some good stuff. I'm sure I can do it during the wiretaps too then cause I kill cops during that sequence as well. I just PMed you about the notes as well.

Thank you so much for finding an early tornado. Now we just need a skip to the last mission 😉

 
  FoxAndRavensFoxAndRavens

So I finished writing up some notes. My IGT was about 530 but that was a VERY slow run, replaying some things multiple times and watching some cutscenes (not sure if that counts toward time) and just kind of screwing around a little, looking for potential things we can take advantage of.

I THOUGHT I found something for Bonding Experience, because I'm pretty sure I reached the other shore with 5/6 helicopters shot down. I don't know for sure though, because I didn't notice until the last chopper and I couldn't remember if I shot one down. This was after failing the mission once before cause Pierce was a jerk and turned around so I couldn't even try to take one of them down. I tried to reproduce this but couldn't so I'm not even sure if this is something at all or if I'm just...seeing things that aren't actually things.

 
  FoxAndRavensFoxAndRavens

Just finished a run with the new stuff. I did this one on PC (after correcting the speedup glitch as best I can). It's considerably different but I like the controls better, after all. My IGT was 4:22 and RTA was 4:55:54. This was not a "real" time because I paused it and restarted some missions after about the 2.5 hr mark. My game crashed and stream died so I didn't treat it like a real run after that. But it started off ATROCIOUS and got slowly better. There were some major, major flaws throughout and I know I can get this time down considerably.

 
  FoxAndRavensFoxAndRavens

So just a note that we'll have to keep our eyes peeled for info on SR2 (and any SR game) being backwards compatible on the xb1. It might end up being faster than the 360 or might have different glitches we can take advantage of. I'm eagerly awaiting this, especially as I'm considering getting one and even possibly selling my 360 in the process.

 
  HurbazHurbaz

I'm finally getting back around to running this game. I have a route I crafted up and will be doing some testing for it to see if it's any good and/or viable. I will post my initial results after 4-5 actual runs. I will have to de-rust first so it'll take a while lol.

 
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