Spider Solitaire Forum  /  zeekeenee "World Records"
  MaltaranMaltaran
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Thank you very much for pointing that out. I'm really sorry that runs like this are still appearing on the leaderboard.
zeekeenee has been added as the moderator, because there wasn't really a choice - he was one of only three people who promised to help. As you could probably see, the leaderboard was a complete mess like having Medium and Two suits runs in one category. It's partially thanks to him that leaderboard now looks much better. This was really unexpected that the person who has helped in fighting single click runs, started doing them himself.
Nevertheless, cheating can never be tolerated and I promise to look closer to all his runs and collect all evidence. And probably, as result of which, reject them and remove his moderator privileges.

 
  ASTRAIOSASTRAIOS

I would also like to thank you for pointing that out. I play the mobile version as well and I'm aware of the ability to make moves on both that and the PC version by tapping a card in a pile and then tapping a place for it to go, rather than having to drag. Given both that and the fact that I personally open the menu a lot when misclicking I saw no reason for suspicion, particularly after a small amount of testing. However you do have some very good points and I will do my best to look into it with a much higher level of scrutiny. If he has cheated, then I am incredibly sorry for allowing those runs onto the leaderboards. Thanks again for pointing it out.

 
  zeekeeneezeekeenee
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Hey, GUNDWN. I was expecting some accusations sooner or later because tbh, if I was in your shoes I'd be doing the same. Like when you look at a leaderboard and see that big of a gap between first and second some flags are definitely raised. ASTRAIOS has dm'd me on discord and requested that I upload the full recording if i still have it, which I do and uploaded it to google drive and the link can be found here for you to go over yourself.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fQFsbquogOHpg13Ihn_MFUm-28DmF5ez/view?usp=sharing
^This is a 15min vid of my session where I got the 1:25 Touchscreen Easy WR. The exact run where I got this is the final run of this video because obviously I stopped recording straight after the record.

If you add me on discord, I'm more than happy to explain each of my moves and what goes on in my head during runs. Notably, your main point is that I have single tap to move on and I will occasionally through it on. My counterargument is that (I've never used single tap to move myself, like ever, but I know what it is), and as a runner yourself, you understand that after drawing cards, the piles may often becoming confusing and on an iphone X (my device) it may sometimes become difficult to select the right card in the pile. So I simply tap the pile and it will automatically show me where the connected cards in a row ends and then I tap the next number. I do this often because it is difficult to select a specific card in a pile which is why at the start of runs, I seem a lot faster because I like to drag each card one by one onto the top card.

I know for myself that I didn't and don't cheat, and I'm happy so prove this to you. Honestly the gap between myself and second has been becoming absurd and I would like some competition so if this thread indicates ur return, than I'm excited. I just want to let you know that when/if you discover that I haven't cheated, that I don't hold anything against you because I understand where your coming from.

 
  zeekeeneezeekeenee

Also as of right now, out of the 3 new moderators that were added. I was the only serious touchscreen moderator and I have a mac computer so PC was never an option for me. Aside from ASTRAIOS, who will occasionally run touchscreen himself, I'm the one who verifies all the touchscreen runs because that is what I'm most knowledgable about. ASTRAIOS, having run touchscreen himself is usually the one that will verify my runs because he's the second most knowledgeable touchscreen moderator. That being said, I myself wouldn't mind introducing GUNDWN as a mod (although discussion need to be had with the mod team and this is just my own opinion) as a second touchscreen moderator, allowing ASTRAIOS to focus on mouse runs.

 
  zeekeeneezeekeenee

also, in that short video that GUNDWN posted, how on earth am I supposed to splice a run. what sort of insane luck would I need to get the exact same board just for me to splice one move in that single touch instead of two. That is such a minimal time save and when I'm this far ahead, there's no need, nor would I ever, do something like that for like .1 of a second when milliseconds aren't even recorded.

 
  MaltaranMaltaran

Upon closer examination, the run looks mostly legit to me.

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Single click to move

There is something I call double click moves (clicking a card(s) to move and then clicking their destination without dragging them). Sometimes they are hard to distinguish from single click moves. However, at 0:38 it is clearly seen that zeekeenee clicks 9 and then the game highlights both 9 and 10. It would have been impossible if single click move option had been enabled, because the game would instantly move 9 and would not highlight 10 (tested multiple times myself). In other parts of the run, there are also situations that would have been impossible if single click moves had been enabled.

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Spliced run

Some of his double click moves seem quite suspicious. However, as I wrote, it wouldn’t be possible unless the run had been spliced, not once, but really many times, which seems very unlikely to me. I will check the runs once again for signs of splicing, but I really believe that they are just really fast double click moves, not single clicks.

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Playing offline

That's definitely not a reason to suspect the run. Probably just to have no ads.

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  zeekeeneezeekeenee
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Maltaran, Ur "playing offline" section is exactly right, I get ads maybe once every 15mins and It doesn't make me want to download homescapes anymore than the last ad did. If you noticed, I will usually play easy and random offline, however my medium and expert 1 suit runs need to be played online because microsoft wont let me do them offline.

 
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