Requirements: Beat the game without jumping. Timing starts when "New Game" is pressed, and ends when you shoot out of the spark pylon in the escape sequence. Runs must talk to Toadette and verify that the jump counter is at zero. Runs under 2 hours require video proof.

Thoughts?

Has to be in 2p mode then. Sounds like a solid category

but it can be 1p mode, u just need the sec play for 1 jump with cappy, u can pause the game right when mario is in the ground go to 2p, do the cappy jump, and go back to 1p mode

cant you just throw cappy and walk onto him

no because u start KO on the ground, so u must jump, but in 2p cappy is use to perform the cappy jump and literally nothing more

Just separate it into 2p yes/no like on the normal leaderboards. 1p will be forced to have one jump 2p will have none

you can do it all 1p, cappy jump doesnt count. the only jump that is forced is very last sequence when you jump before you capture bowser

Thats what i am saying, wy no both 1p/2p?

It's not even an official category yet, worry about getting it on the website first

I think an issue with this is that talking to npc's count as jumps which is avoidable but somewhat difficult. This can be a problem with verifying because someone may fail to pull of the trick to avoid showing 1 jump while talking to toadette and it be really close to making it. This would be confusing on if the run is legitimate because while the game would display 1 that might be from a failed skip when talking to toadette. Although we could subtract 1 when talking to toadette normally.

Is not confusing if its done right, but if it isnt done right then, start all over again, is it some how dificult but not imposible, just like sphinx glitch + u can see our progress will doing the speedrun

So your saying if I accidentally fail the trick and it displays 1 jump then the run shouldn't be verifiable? That's honestly the stupidest thing i've ever heard. Normally it isn't that difficult but after a pb, a lot of people will experience hands shaking or something similar which can cause the trick to be a lot harder. I'd be for either doing the trick or just talking to toadette normally and subtracting one. This makes it easy to verify runs.

It is easy to tell whether or not the skip has been successful or not, I think the mods can determine whether or not the A press was from Toadette. In addition, Toadette is the only NPC you need to talk to in order to view the jump counter from beginning the game.

My point is that, if the category is call 0 jumps, and talking to npc count as one, then u have to use cappy to jump and talk, and just like in every single speedrun category if u suck in something u grind it till u feel confident, but if ur logistic is to go for the jump anyway then the category isnt 0 jump because u break the rules,.. its like speedrun glitchless% but because its faster u decided to go out of bounds,.. then the speedrun u make is no longer glitchless% + is verified that the run is possible

It's pretty easy to talk to Toadette without it counting as a jump. Besides, you'll only do that AFTER finishing the run (Which ends in Moon Kingdom), so if you mess up, or you think you messed up, just close the game, reopen it, and try again. You won't be penalized because you messed up the confirmation of your run, as long as you eventually confirm it correctly.

The tricky part is when the 3rd time mario gets OK u must use cappy in order to not jump, but to use cappy u must play 2p so the question is, will there be only 2p or 1p who knows that at some point he must play in 2p in order to dont jump? Just remember u need cappy ones (in 2p) and only to perfome the cappy jump, and thats it

Yes, so there would be two tabs for Jumpless% 2p - uses 2p for the final wake up scene (or even the whole run). (0 JUMPS) No 2p - Doesn't use 2p Cappy in the final wake up scene. This technically counts as a jump, but there's no way around it unless you switch to 2p. (1 JUMP)

These would be the rules unless skipping the final wake up jump would be REQUIRED for Jumpless% (which makes more sense), thus meaning separating it into 2p and no 2p would be obsolete. Whether you agree that there should be two tabs, or you agree that there should be only one tab (which would require 2p to wake up Mario), comment on your opinion.

The problem is that, imagine that u run solo, and there is only 2p mode then u sub ur run u got a decent run but, someone play 2p and got even a better run just because the cappy player smash de Y bottom when its need so u get an advantage of about 30 sec easily and no skills need to perform the cappy jump, plus the 1/3 min its take to go for 1p to 2p just for 1 cappy jump and then come back to 1p, thats kind of annoying so: 0 Jumps 1P: there is only going to be 1 jump before capturing bowser, so when u talk to tadelle she must count 1 jump and thats it 2P: there musnt have jumps, so when u talk to tadelle she must count 0 jumps I think this is the fariest way to make the run enjoyable and fair for everyone

• The jump before capturing Bowser is unavoidable in 1p mode, since in 1p mode you are asleep and not in control of Cappy.
• To verify the run, we can say that you're supposed to talk to Toadette while on the ground, meaning you can subtract 1 from the counter for the actual jump count

Okey then, cant wait to see 0jumps on the smo extended category