Leaderboards moderation requests thread
9 years ago
Antarctica

https://twitter.com/Thomas_Quig/with_replies

That is his twitter account (from his social media links) and he was indeed active on there 13 hours ago.

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Norway

Well, now i feel silly, thanks!

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United States

PojeBunny: Has ASmallPotato caused any problems for the F1 games, besides just being moderator?

tocaloni1: He'll likely be removed when the admins make their rounds.

FluffMaestro: Try contacting Sonicninja on his social media first.

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Victoria, Australia
stoot
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6 years ago

It's worth remembering that mods don't get notified if someone posts in the series board.

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Valhalla

It's also worth noting that being made series mod doesn't promote you to mod across all the games either

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Haute-Normandie, France

Hi, (NES) Duck Hunt needs moderation.

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United States

Requesting CriscoWild be removed as moderator from the Mega Man X3 leaderboards and LuizMiguel added to replace him. Luiz is unquestionably the most notable mmx3 runner, has held the any% and 100% records for multiple years now, is well-respected by the mmx community as a whole, and should have never been removed as a moderator in the first place. I understand the admins didn't have any dissent to base the decision off of, but that's likely because nobody in the mmx community uses this website for those games, let alone checks the forums regularly.

The majority of runners with top times removed their runs from these boards because we don't feel the need to have two separate leaderboards for the same game, srcom and mmrta(which we have been using for years), to open up the possibility for any ambiguity caused by discrepancies between the two boards based on the whims of whoever happens to be moderating this site at the time. Laseki removed himself as a moderator because of the blowback he got from usurping moderation from Luiz, but it looks like CriscoWild, who I've never heard of before this debacle and incidentally happens to be the only mod left over after Luiz's removal and Laseki's resignation, is trying to assume sole authority and start new boards in his image against the community's wishes. I definitely think he should be removed as moderator and LuizMiguel, who is one of the moderators on the mmrta boards, reinstated as one.

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Pennsylvania, USA

Can we just delete all mega man games from this site instead since this is like the 2nd time the X3 board has been erased

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California, USA

I have a question. Why is it the MMX community cannot/won't mirror their boards with SR when other boards like Deer Tier and many others do? Just glancing over SM any% with over 500 submissions it's almost completely identical; especially the top 5-10 which is what the majority of people are going to be checking out anyways. No MMX game comes even close to that many submissions except for x1 100% which does have 200+ runs. It shouldn't be an issue to get a 1:1 rankings list between the two sites.

Just as a side note I see someone added my bad MMX6 run that's almost two years old to MMLB. All it takes is non lazy mods to keep things up to date.

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Brazil

But why would you need 2 different LB for the same game? MMRTA been around a long time, and it always worked, and it works until this day. Why feel the need of changing something that is working? Why feel the need to "fix" something that isnt broken?

The MMRTA LB works as it is, it doesnt need to migrate here, nor we should bother mods with needless work that changes nothing. If theres a way of automatically sync both of them that would be fine. Otherwise i dont see the purpose.

EDIT: Also, if the community wanted to be on this site, it would be here already. This is clearly an effort of a small group of few that, for whatever reason, doesnt like the LB that we have now. Whatever the case may be, putting runs here is pointless and acomplishes nothing, a redirect for the MMRTA is the best option

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United States

There's nothing wrong with keeping an identical leaderboard here that maintains parity with the mmrta leaderboards if there are trusted moderators who are willing to be diligent about it. That's what's being done with RosenkreuzStilette and RosenkreuzStilette Freudenstachel for instance. The problem is when you have rogue mods here adding X Collections runs to the Snes leaderboards, adding meme categories like "PSX/XC any%, no Doppler skip", etc..., and then attempting to usurp sole moderation when the community tells them to stop.

United States

What's wrong with extra categories? Anyone can run anything they want, what's wrong with having more categories for more diversification? Nothing. What's wrong with games like X6 and X7 where the boards are kept up with and up to date and accurate? Why should they be removed because of another game that happens to be in the series? They shouldn't. Why should LuizMiguel, someone who routinely says that he won't keep up the boards here, be modded here? He shouldn't.

Crisco is willing to moderate the boards on this site. If you don't like him, who cares? You already said you didn't want to use this site, why should you care who the person is that's doing the work that you're too lazy to do is?

The MM/X community is nothing short of elitist, all they want is to keep "power" amongst themselves and whenever anyone with any sort of contrary viewpoint comes along they immediately try to attack them and ostracize them. As someone who has been around since early 2013, I've seen this happen literally dozens of times. The "community leaders" for MM/X are mostly cliquey insiders who hate everyone else and want to insult and attack people for trying to help.

Point is: You do NOT own a copyright to Mega Man X3, you can NOT dictate how people play the game. If people want to play no doppler skip, let them. Why should I be forced to go and buy a SNES and MMX3 to play the same thing everyone else is playing? I shouldn't. I should be allowed to play on whatever version I want, however I want. If there is a big issue with comparisons, then separate them.

Also, no "rogue mod" added PS1 times to the SNES board. The rules on the SNES board were "Any%" which was not any%, since the PS1 version has a faster glitch, thus "Any% no doppler skip" would be the appropriate category name, so that's why runs were submitted and accepted there. Laseki was the one to do it.

There is no need to take any action here. Crisco has stated multiple times that all he wants to do is have accurate boards on both sites. That's it. If you don't want him to do it, then you do it. If you don't want to do it, then don't cry and complain. Simple as that.

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Luiz doesn't want to moderate the boards on this website. He doesn't even like this website. SR.com and the people who use it deserve a working Mega Man X3 board. Ideally, the moderators for these games would be people with more knowledge of the game or maybe even faster times than what I have. As it stands now though, it happens that those same people have no interest in exposing our beloved game series to the masses of SR.com and would prefer to keep it to themselves within their small circle of friends over at MMLB.net. I disagree with that and I've begun acting accordingly.

Now don't get me wrong, I have nothing against anyone who prefers to use MMLB.net. It's a great site and I like it as much as the next guy. I still submit my PB's to it regularly. Very well done site. I believe the argument that some people have come to me with is that this is an issue of accuracy vs. convenience. You can either have the accuracy of the MMLB.net boards, knowing all the runners submit to that site and that if you see someone has 1st place, you know it's a WR for real; or you can have the convenience of having all of your runs for every speed game you play on one site. That's what people try to sell this issue as. But you know the only reason we can't have it both ways is because the runners won't let us have it both ways. And why wouldn't you want it both ways? Everyone here likes accuracy. Everyone here likes convenience. It doesn't have to be a battle. The only reason the SR.com boards are looked at as inaccurate is because the MMLB guys won't submit. That's it. They hold the site back just because. If not for that, we'd have both accuracy and convenience on one site, which is something we can't possibly have on MMLB. MMLB will never be what SR.com is. They're never going to cater to any other game series besides Mega Man, which means they'll never offer the convenience that is so highly valued on SR.com. MMLB, bless its heart, cannot offer you everything you want, whereas SR.com can offer you everything you want. All you have to do is let it.

Let me state for the record that I have no ill will towards all of Luiz's friends who are trying so hard to ruin things for those of us who want to do our own thing over here on SR.com. I know they're just doing it because he's mad at me and wants to start up some drama. They're being loyal to their friend and at its core, that's an admirable quality. Hetfield, Akiteru, Zam, etc.; they're all boys. Can't fault 'em for that. Thing is though, they don't ever really talk to me or hang out with me. We never play together, despite my best efforts to include them in relays I do. I've tried to reach out to some of these guys, I've tried to be friendly. Maybe they're too busy, maybe they're not interested, IDK. To each his own. But if you guys aren't doing right by me or my people, it's going to be a lot harder for you to convince me to not do right by me or my people. Take a step back, go enjoy the use of MMLB.net, and let us do what we want to do. We want to grow. We want to expand. We want more exposure for these games and we can't do that by staying huddled on one solo series site for the rest of our speedgaming careers. The people of SR.com deserve to be able to wake up in the morning, look through all the random streams for something to watch, be pleasantly surprised when they see Mega Man X3, a game they played in their youth but had almost forgotten about, go check it out and get inspired by it, and then be given the opportunity to try to run it themselves. Not only that, all of our current X runner friends deserve the chance to showcase their skills and personalities on yet another platform; that being SR.com.

I love you all but I'm not caving to this peer pressure. Laseki couldn't handle the bullying that you guys laid down on him but I sure can. It's why I'm here and it's a big part of my argument for why I'm the right guy for the job.

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Yes, people can run anything they want, but just because someone comes up with a run doesn't mean it needs a category. Hetfield's best ending max% x3 run is on the any% board, partially as a joke, and partially because there's no other interest in the category. Plenty of silly race categories exist without having a place on any real leaderboard, and nobody's complained about that. Running anything you want is not synonymous with putting anything you want on the leaderboards, it simply means that you're free to play whatever you want however you want.

Why should Luiz be modded if he doesn't want to maintain the speedrun.com boards? Because then at least we know there won't be some nonsense going on, and there'll just be a redirect. Some random person no one knew was the one to create the mmx1 board, just for the sake of having a wr, and that board was a big joke for a long time (and that page still is a pretty big joke with the "Check Rules" category crap), and now we've got x3 nonsense with entirely different platforms being mixed due to incompetence (Oh, and just as an aside, what's possible in the PS1 version has nothing to do with SNES categories, so yes it is any% if you're looking at the SNES board).

I've got nothing against Laseki or Crisco, I've known Laseki a while and he's chill, Crisco doesn't know the game but I see him around and he's not an asshole, but to take to the forums to demod Luiz and then shit up the x3 boards is ridiculous and neither of them should be trusted as moderator for the game now. As Hetfield said earlier, there's nothing wrong with keeping an up to date mirror of the other boards on this site, but apparently no one capable of doing such a task is here and willing for x1-3, x4 and 5 boards at the very least are just fine. There's no bullying, it's about keeping parity between the boards, and if it can't be done then I, and plenty others, think the src board just shouldn't exist. As cute as hypothetical viewer nostalgia is, it has absolutely nothing to do with the situation, nor does my connection with Luiz. You can try to discredit me by writing it off as just me sticking up for my chum, but it might be a better course to just admit you guys made a mistake in moderation and try to set things right.

The constant victim playing is just tiresome, take some responsibility for your actions and don't attribute other people's actions to such petty crap. Mixing different games on the same leaderboard, having trusted community members unmodded (instead of, idk, talking to them?), publicizing private conversations for absolutely no reason, and pretending we're some cabal of speedrunners just here to bully and ostracize you isn't helping anything whatsoever. You shouldn't attempt to take the moral high ground when everything you've done is either against a large chunk of the community or just flat out rude. We just want clean, straight forward (and up to date) boards, like the ones that already exist. Because of what you guys have done lately, we don't trust you in particular to provide this.

Also, cyberdemon, emulators have been accepted for x3 for a long time, no one's forcing you to buy anything if you want to compete with everyone, only the typically banned emulators aren't allowed (zsnes, ancient snes9x versions, etc.).

New York, USA

I'd like to state for the record that I never asked for mod of X3. Laseki assigned it to me when I suggested he find a new mod that could help him do work on the site. My suggestion was Justin.

Also, I did try to talk to Luiz. I have screenshots to prove this. He said me and my friends were dumb, told me to fuck off, called me cancer, and blocked me on Discord. It was only after all that, the first time he'd ever been rude to me, that I began to think it was time to help the boards move on.

I also want clean, straightforward, up-to-date boards. I want them on MMLB and SR.com. That's not so bad. Find a way to set up a sync and I'm all for it. What I'm not all for is sitting on our hands waiting for it to happen when we could be adding runs to the board manually one at a time. If everyone here is in favor of SR.com boards so long as they're accurate, let me add your PB's as verified by MMLB.net. As long as your run is on that site, it should be ok to have it on this site. I think that's plenty fair.

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Like I said, there's nothing wrong with keeping the boards here in parity with mmrta if there is someone who is trusted in the community and willing to do it. Laseki was trusted to do that by everyone as far as I know, but stepped down and deleted the boards after receiving blowback for getting Luiz removed as a mod, leaving you the only mod by sheer accident. You think that gives you a mandate to start doing whatever you want when the vast majority of the community disagrees with it, but you never even should have been one in the first place. You're not one of the game's moderators on its already well-established leaderboards, you're not close to a top time in any category, and you're largely known as "the guy who hosts the toxic relays", which is why I'm asking the admins here to remove you as a moderator.

The moderators for Mega Man X3 on mmrta are bjw, LuizMiguel, Nu, and myself(JustinCredible as well but I don't think he has an account here). One or all of us should be added as moderators to replace CriscoWild.

If someone who is trusted within the community offers to keep srcom in parity with mmrta, then we will add them as a moderator if/when that happens, but until then we will just link to mmrta. By someone trusted, I mean pretty much anyone who isn't Cyberdemon531 or any of his lackeys who would undoubtedly start doing things like adding dozens of extra categories with exactly one time for them(that was probably the only run they ever did of it), making X Collection the default platform when the vast majority of people run on Snes, etc...; those kinds of changes.

And having to click one additional link to get to a game's leaderboards does not "limit the game's exposure" by the way. That seems to be the linchpin of your argument as to why there needs to be an additional X3 leaderboard here under any circumstances, and it's probably the weakest argument I've ever heard. You literally just have to click one more link.

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Please do not insult Crisco personally by attacking his "toxic relays". The relays have all been great, and have led me to making new friends in the MM/X community, that I've been avoiding for years because of the oldboy behavior you're exhibiting here, hetfield. The relay events have all been very professionally orchestrated, sponsored by a website with cash prizes, and supported by everyone in the MM/X community who isn't in the elitist oldboy clique.

Also, when have I ever "forced" changed on a community? Never. I've only suggested things. If you notice, I mod X6 and don't have XC be the only accepted category or anything libelous like that. I ask simply: Proof?

Also, you didn't address that there is nothing wrong with Misc categories. What's wrong with having fun in a game? Again, you don't own the game, you have no say in how people choose to play it.

Also, to zam, I don't care about competing with people for record times, I don't like the SNES version, the Arranged version plays and feels tremendously superior, and is also much faster. Why should I have to jump through hoops to play the fastest version of a speedgame? Also, thats what Misc means. Misc means its not a REAL category, it's a fun side one. Look what we have with X6, all the main, real, categories are listed up front, then the meme ones are in the misc section, that's what the misc section was designed for. That's its purpose. What's wrong with using a specialized function for its purpose?

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It's hard to give anything you say about "behavior" any weight Cyberdemon. It's not by some cosmic coincidence that you're permanently banned from SpeedRunsLive, GamesDoneQuick, and twitch.tv. Calling his relays toxic isn't a personal insult; it's a personal opinion, and one shared by many at that. I was bringing that up as one of several examples as to why he isn't trusted to be a mod, though I think zam illustrated why he isn't better than I did.

You created an X6 leaderboard here to make easy mode the default difficulty when normal was the default on mmrta because that's what the majority of people ran on. It's changes like those that I don't trust you or anyone who regularly associates with you to not make.

Don't act like having dozens of categories with one run on them being a good thing is a fact and not an opinion. The contrary opinion is that leaderboards are meant to showcase competition and award individuals with prestige for their hard work, not to be a repository for any playthrough of any game ever which hands out a gold medal to everyone for trying. I have no say in how people choose to play games, but communities do have a say in what is deemed competitive and relevant enough of a category to be on a speedrun leaderboard.

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New York, USA

Hetfield, please don't come at me with these insults. I've never been rude to you and I'd appreciate it if you'd show me the same courtesy.

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