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7 years ago
England

"since you mods have the power to make stuff fair for everyone"

The change you propose would not be fair to the Japanese. The problem goes both ways. If I were a japanese runner, I would be pissed if my run got shunted off onto a different board because of a minor 15 second difference. Why should we force Japanese players to play on a /slower/ version of the game to compete with everyone else? That's not fair at all.

You're not thinking of everyone and it's a little galling that this gets called fair. It totally disregards an entire sect of the playerbase.

" idk how WR being locked into one region being an old thing of speed running justifys it still"

because the point of speedrunning is to go fast, the japanese version is faster.

" why the developer changes in the game for Japanese regions make guys bend to the Japanese/1 region when everyone else from the world make up 90% of the population of the leaderboards"

pffft this is so funny

It's censorship that makes the game faster, I really doubt Capcom was trying to make everyone double-dip the game for speedrun purposes lmao.

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Florida, USA

I'm personally against allowing the JPN version to be compared to every other version. The masses come before the JPN player base when it comes to being "unfair". If you have to be "unfair" to one group, let it be the smaller group of players. I've always said it and I'll always believe it. The Japanese version simply should have its own category, plain and simple.

For RE7 it's not as simple as going to eBay and buying a specific version of the game (especially for PC). So it's comparing apples and oranges when saying "well the other RE games are just like this!".

I'll be blunt, that's such a stupid reasoning in my opinion. You're basically asking people to do shady things (VPN's and breaking store TOS, which is bullshit) and rebuy the game when honestly 13 seconds should either be added to the JPN time or it should have its own category. Plain and simple.

I know damn well some people are defending this because they're already secured the Japanese version, too. Which is even stupider (and biased).

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United Kingdom

For Console it is actually easier to acquire the Japanese version of RE7, than the Japanese version of literally any other disc-based old school Resident Evil. There's no real argument against this.

They are in limitless quantity on console, because of digital distribution. For PC, fair enough, because the version in question is locked behind a strict filter based on the region you live in, and cannot be acquired any other way, but for console it is as simple as buying a limitless form of digital currency.

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Florida, USA

Okay, then let me reword. Instead of "especially for PC" I'll say "for PC". I'm heavily against asking people to use VPN's etc to buy the damn thing. It's absolutely stupid. It's NOT easy to acquire and the MASSES should NOT be punished for that.

If this becomes a thing we're just going to get to the point where people that did sketchy shit gets the fastest times. And that's not part of the skill or game, imo. If that's what it's going to eventually get to I'll be really disappointed.

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United Kingdom

I do agree on PC, and I did say before in PC's case I understand where this is coming from.

Scotland

Just because it's hard to acquire on PC shouldn't mean console players should have to buy the Japanese version in my opinion. As if console players do buy it and attain WR and then you fix it for PC boards without forcing them to buy a Japanese version if Xerians WR gets beaten by someone with the JPN version it's going to cause a lot of controversy.

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Oregon, USA

Thank you cursed toast and Ross idk why it's so hard for the others to see this. You guys are literally saying to the majority cough even more money for a game they already own to compete rather than just adding 15 seconds to a Japanese run (which the Japanese are in the minority so you won't have to do it that often) once you guys verify the runs, like idk what's harder adding 15 seconds to a run once you verify it or having 10 different people from other countries spend another $60 hmmm......

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Oregon, USA

I never said give them there own category I literally said just add the time, I agree the boards shouldn't be separated for the 50th time

Scotland

I also agree on the boards not being separated as that wouldn't be fair on the Japanese and all I want is a fair level playing field for everyone.

Florida, USA

The time could be very accurately timed and added, as well. We have the splitting technology. Just saying.

England

local men encounters regional differences in speedrunning for the first time.

PC is a bit more complicated. Console is absolutely no different from any other game, there's no particular reason to be special snowflakes about it.

Florida, USA

Not sure what's up with your snark, but...

"A bit more complicated". Not really. You can't just jump on eBay or Amazon and order a PC version code for the censored edition. You have to break store TOS and go out of your way to get it. Not cool to ask of the masses, honestly, and it's also a sketchy thing to promote as a community. So it's a lot more complicated.

For the console version, yeah, I don't think it's any different than any other region game. It's not like there's region lock or anything, etc. It's kinda shitty to allow it in one category and not the other, but I'd be willing to meet in the middle.

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Oregon, USA

Yea no reason to be a dick succinct idk why you would want such an uneven playing field on a leaderboard anyway literally makes no sense the main reason you guys want to keep this is because "oh it's been that way just suck it up" like ok... then change it to make it fair lol

And actually PC isnt that much more complicated because if you just add the time at the end of the run it'll solve everyone's problem

Florida, USA

I wish I had a copy of the JPN version just so I could poke around. I'm really curious if there's just a flag to censor content or not, or if it's a completely different build. If it were just a flag, it'd be super easy to write a patcher.. It would solve the problem for PC instantly.

England

I would want substantially more looking into the Japanese version on PC done before any action about it takes place, it's only 15 seconds and is consequently not a massive deal at the moment but currently I get the impression no-one's really tried that hard to get it?

Accessing the japanese windows store is super easy, but I have no idea about the process of actually buying something off it, I don't really have the cash on hand to try at the moment.

would rather explore the options first than category things off immediately

also I'm being a dick because you're being an indignant dumbass and writing long rambly, terribly formatted posts about the mere concept of needing to buy versions of games to go fast. Welcome to speedrunning, enjoy your stay. RE7 is not special, and neither are you.

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Scotland

Completely agree with adding time at the end of the run, i mean it'll be the same time difference between console and PC so it's probably the easiest solution for both and also keeps all the regions on the same leaderboards, no one loses this way..

United Kingdom

Alright I think everyone needs to chill out. You're making a mountain out of a mole hill right now guys.

Adding the time to Japanese versions seems perfectly acceptable to me, it's separating them that I'm against, it can be timed and agreed on by mods, but if you swap it to an entirely different category, it is then unfair to Japanese players, and it's even more categories to be added to the shit ton of category options we have.

A time addition of how long it takes to grab the key out of the body seems acceptable to me. I think it's pointless arguing about it, if we're going to discuss it, make a valid point and explain it, explain the pros and cons and lets figure this out easily.

Spain

I knew from the beginning that the Japanese version being 15 damn seconds faster was going to eventually stir up shit over here. But c'mon now, is not like the 2nd time on console is just 15 secs slower than the 1st time because of the snake key pickup, right?

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