"We've done the mistake of loosely adding new categories before on previous games of the series. Basically all of those categories ended up as 1-run "categories" and never had anyone compete for it."

I assume you mean that, if there was something else specifically about inconsistency I couldn't find it other than saying to just spend 4 more hours learning the any% run for some reason or claming they're unoptimised. (If there was something i missed my bad and I apologise for being an idiot).

The reason I bought it up again is because the reasoning doesn't apply. It isn't going to be a 1 run category. Complaining about runs being unoptimised doesn't really work, I don't disagree that the ng+ runs are unoptimised but any definition you have for "optimised" is inherently arbitrary and I consider basically irrelevant. I don't see why that matters, and if you care about growth of the category so that it's optimised adding ng+ to the leaderboards won't stunt that growth it'll either make no difference or potentially build interest. Saying you want the runs to continue to be optimised while calling runners of the category "A bunch of retards" probably doesn't help and is rather contradictory.

I didn't already explain that since I thought the fact there's more than one run is pretty self explanatory and if the unoptimised thing is a actually a legitimate point then nothing anyone could say matters anyway.

The part you quoted was what was first posted, which applied to the scenario at that point as no run had even be done. I've explained afterwards in a different thread why that idea/approach may seems inconsistent as of now: https://www.speedrun.com/p5/thread/ehx1w

Keep in mind that all of that was posted when there was none/one run only for it. As you could read in my previous post, now that there's been additional runs, I've even agreed to compromise to a different approach and at least add the category for the time being, despite still having doubts that it will change all too much in regards to what has been mentioned and turn out as first expected in terms of the category's progression and competition.

I think both sides have been a little unreasonable in some of their arguments in the past over this category. I believe it's perfectly legitimate for the category to have not been made up to this point - due to only having one recorded run. I also believe that if one or two others complete a run it does not necessary have to end up on a leaderboard.

What I can say is that I'm incredibly dedicated into pushing this run further. I believe you can take my word at face value here due to my past experience in a long category (kh2 100%). This is a run that I did countless attempts in and pushed the time down even when there was no competition. I believe wholeheartedly due to the interest that NightBarrel has shown only yesterday about the category that if I did end up beating his best time, he would return to the game and do a run.

I have spent many hours into the category and palace routes and will continue to do so.

If you can agree that the run will be on leaderboards as long as there is optimisation and a few runs on the board, that's terrific news, and it inspires me to do more runs because I know that they will be recognised. In this case, I look forward to seeing the runs up on here in the upcoming days. Not only will having the runs on the leaderboard promote the category and get more people into running it and being able to find the PB VoDs for it more easily, it also brings more traction into the Persona 5 Speedrunning Community as a whole. I see the addition of NG+ to the leaderboards as having practically no downside. There are games in which there is a clear favourite between NG and NG+ in several different game series and that is understood throughout the runners and viewers of each community, therefore NG players won't be looked down upon because their times are 'worse' or anything like that.

Thank you for your promise of accepting the category into leaderboards for the near future, Nev. I'll be working on the category and I hope both Gold and NB do the same so we can make this category fun, competitive and an asset to these boards.

Salad