Sorry guys, but I was to distracted by this topic. And I think is better it came this time and not later.

I think the Japanese game is not exactly exactly the same game:

• Shortest cut scenes
• No Ultra credits (so it can be slightly different the Caves manipulation)
• Different enemy spawns (Giant Frog as the first sub boss)

And I heard in the past if Pekerwood or Skunky gets defeated by a a Japanese version they won't be happy. Right now is no problem for them, but in that case they are gonna say something.

So right now I am the only with this, because the 6th place, the one behind me has a Japanese version. And I think is not totally fair because of the seconds he can save in the cut scenes.

So I think let's once and for all decide if Japanese no problem and will stay the same. If we decide this right now, and somebody takes the WR with a Japanese version, it won't change the result, he will deserve his 1st place, because we are deciding right now.

But if we decide Japanese version to it's own category, that should stay like that.

Turtles II has his own japanese category, and I think other NES games like NInja Gaidens, etc.

So this is nothing personal. But if the new moderators now are more exact with the frame count, good videos, retiming, etc. I think it is fair so we talk about the Japanese version.

In conclusion, if right now we decide no problem. If somebody in the future gets WR with Japanese there will be no controversy, because if right now is not a problem or a issue because it doesn't affect the WR holders, why he have to wait until the WR's holders get affected.

So please send help to conclude this topic that has been mention in the past once and for all. Is nothing personal against no person, and please decide the most mature and fair conclusdion about this topic.

Thanks for your support.

I don't know if I ever said I won't be happy about it, but I do believe that there should be separate leaderboards. I have talked a little bit with huhtikuu already so it has been discussed. I just wanted to make a post here to summarize a few of my thoughts. I think if it there were just cutscene differences, I would be open to time conversions, but the different enemy spawns make it harder to do so. I would prefer there to be separate leaderboards, but I'm just one person. Other mods may have a different opinion.

So here's what the mods (The ones that are on discord) have decided: No changes to the leaderboards at this time. The time difference is believed to be less than a second between the two versions and I think huhtikuu is the only one that runs the JP version.

Personally I think if the Japanese version ever becomes popular and the rankings get real close to each other, then something could change, but nothing at the moment.

Posting here what I came up with in regards to the frame differences between the NA & JP versions (For future reference). I counted the frames using FCEUX:

Cutscene 1 (After Rocksteady) = NA is 71 frames faster Cutscene 2 (After Dam) = JP is 237 frames faster Cutscene 3 (After Mechaturtle) = NA is 146 frames faster Cutscene 4 (After Mouser) = NA is 108 frames faster Cutscene 5 (After Technodrome) = JP is 178 frames faster

In total, JP version is 90 frames faster when comparing only the cutscenes. However, using current strats, there are enemy differences between the two versions in Area 1, causing the JP's Area 1 to be slower. The frog sub boss requires an extra hit and the frame difference here is in the 50's as a very rough estimate. The fire guy after the frog sub boss that is in the JP version also causes the player to lose about 30 frames as a rough estimate due to knockback (There is a way to despawn the fire guy, but I can't say how exactly it is done). These numbers vary from playthrough to playthrough depending on the quality of play. Maybe someone can post better numbers for these (It's very possible that I'm completely wrong also).

The time difference between the two versions appear to be much less than I had originally thought.

Thanks for getting this information. Is it pretty safe to say that there is less than a one second difference between the two versions?