Sonic 4 (All Episodes, All Emeralds)
2 years ago
New York, USA

You guys wanted an actual runner of the category to request its presence on the board. Well, now you've got it.

Here's my run -

I hereby officially request that you make two sub-categories for Sonic 4 (All Episodes): Beat The Game and All Emeralds.

PeterAfro likes this
New York, USA

And just so we can avoid any attempts at claiming there's only one run here and you need to see at least two, here's GrimmyHunter's run too -

New York, USA

A second run by GrimmyHunter. What a beast.

Congo, Democratic Republic

it'll get done when one of us has time to make the catagory

Zanon likes this
New York, USA

You could have done it in the time it took you to make that post.

In any event, now that we've confirmed that you would do it if only you had the time, I'll try reaching out to each individual moderator of this board and I'll see if I can't hurry it up a bit. One of you has a spare minute coming up soon; I just need to figure out which one it is.

United Kingdom

You were told that the category will be made as soon as possible. Just be patient. Mods do have lives outside of the site. Also please don't reach out to every moderator on this board. Not all of them deal with Sonic 4.

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Zanon likes this
New York, USA

Just like with Cybersonicstarzx655, it was possible for you to set it up just now when you made that post. You made a choice not to take the minute to do it.

As far as patience is concerned, I have plenty. From May 11th when I last talked to you and FocusSight up until five days ago when I posted my run, you hadn't heard from me. That's... what, 37 days worth of patience on a site where the typical threshold is 21 days?

The "mods have lives outside the site" line doesn't work when there's this many of you with this great a time span asking me not to reach out to people who might be less busy than you who could get the job done. If you can't find a minute within 40+ days, maybe you're overburdened and should consider passing the responsibility of modding this board onto someone else. There's no shortage of Sonic runners who'd volunteer, I'm sure.

United Kingdom

Crisco, it stands to reason that someone banned from any community loses their voice in regards to decisions about boards etc, and if your run is counted towards the requirement for a board to be added, then count yourself lucky.

Also, it may come as a shock to you but not every category needs a leaderboard on sr.c. If you want a board so badly, set up a google doc or so listing the times, that's what I did when I wanted S&K for a category, and that took multiple people actively running the category before it got added to sr.c.

As stated here, it's down to the Sonic 4 mods to decide, so Focus and cyber, and ff would defer it to them. There's no point in harassing other mods via DMs on this, as they deal with only the categories for the main line games in which they moderate (e.g. Joey and Zax handle the Classic, lemres on the gamecube era etc).

As you've been told, be patient, there's no reason to harass people about it, considering you already got banned from the community for doing so.

Mischievous, cybersonicstarzx655 and 3 others like this
United Kingdom

When you messaged me I spoke to the other Sonic 4 mods about this. We requested from you that for this category to be added the following requirements had to met. A runner requests it. The second requirement was that we needed to see 2 runs. Both requirements hadn't been met till about 5 days ago looking at this thread. These requirements are needed when making a board since in the past we have ended up with empty boards. So technically you've only been waiting for this board to be made for 5 days not 40+ days. Still within the 21 days threshold.

So once again be patient, we will get the board done when we have the time.

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Germany
Zanon
He/Him, They/Them
2 years ago

https://old.reddit.com/r/speedrun/comments/7gg63k/cwi_relays_are_scams_to_get_money_out_of_you_and/

Fancy seeing you here, Crisco. :>

EDIT: https://imgur.com/a/i8MSQ4K

Are you coming here to spread your fantastic mindset too? Get out.

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New York, USA

@BenInSweden "...someone banned from any community loses their voice in regards to decisions about boards..."

This seems like nonsense to me. To my knowledge, no one's ever banned me from any Sonic-themed community, nobody's ever told me otherwise up until you today, and I've never given anyone a good reason to do either. If you've got evidence to suggest that I'm banned from something, I'd love to see it. Not that it's relevant to this situation.

"Also, it may come as a shock to you but..."

This whole paragraph is irrelevant. FlyingFox, FocusSight, and Cybersonicstarzx655 have already committed in writing to making the category on behalf of not just myself, but also GrimmyHunter and Cybersonicstarzx655 himself. As early as May 11th, FocusSight told me and Grimmy he'd get it done. Fast-forward to June 23rd and it still isn't. That's inefficient work on the part of the mods.

"As stated here, it's down to the Sonic 4 mods to decide..."

And they did. The decision was that if two criteria were met (two runners with a video, one of them makes the request), they'd make the board. The decision is made, Ben. Criteria met, mission accomplished, GG. Let's get it done.

"There's no point in harassing other mods via DMs on this..."

Nothing about my DMs to those mods can be considered harassment. Perhaps you've been told otherwise by someone with a negative bias towards me who has something to gain by clouding your opinion of the situation so that she (or he?) might gain sympathy and backup. I'm happy to send you the same message I sent the rest of them so you can see it for yourself.

"...considering you already got banned from the community for doing so."

Again, pretty sure that's fake news but feel free to go into it more if you like.

New York, USA

@flyingfox "Both requirements hadn't been met till about 5 days ago looking at this thread."

Well, that's certainly not true. Grimmy's earliest completed run comes from May and DMs between FocusSight and GrimmyHunter from May show that the former officially recognizes the latter as having requested the category and pledging to set it up. Did Focus not tell you about that conversation? If he failed to share that information with you, that would explain you waiting. If he did tell you about it, you know you had the criteria met.

"These requirements are needed when making a board since in the past we have ended up with empty boards."

If an empty board is all you wanted to avoid, you could have made the board immediately. You had Cyber's run and Grimmy's run. Both expressed interest in posting them to a board.

"So once again be patient, we will get the board done when we have the time."

For the third time in a row between you and Cyber, you could have set the category up in the time it took you to make that post. I'm starting to suspect that you don't actually know how to do it because you're severely overestimating the amount of time it takes to do this. I may have to post instructions.

New York, USA

@Zanon "Fancy seeing you here, Crisco. :>"

Hey. I don't know who you are, but hey.

"https://old.reddit.com/r/speedrun/comments/7gg63k/cwi_relays_are_scams_to_get_money_out_of_you_and/"

I suspect that you don't actually know the history behind the thread that this link references but I'd be happy to discuss it in its entirety on a separate thread, in voice chat, or on stream somewhere with you. In any event, it's entirely irrelevant to the topic at hand: creation of a sub-category for All Episodes, All Emeralds. If you're simply using it as a method to smear my name and distract from the conversation, that's not going to work.

United Kingdom

Sure: https://i.imgur.com/7g5P5g4.png From the SSC Discord, so yes, you have been banned from the community, and yes it's relevant because this is to do with Sonic speedruns.

Harass:

to disturb or bother persistently; torment, as with troubles or cares; pester

You revealed this was your intent here as you didn't get the result you wanted:

I'll try reaching out to each individual moderator of this board and I'll see if I can't hurry it up a bit. One of you has a spare minute coming up soon; I just need to figure out which one it is.

Zanon and ARRPEEGEE like this
England

Crisco, your entitled attitude is disgusting. To echo the points already made here, no one is on your schedule and everyone has a life outside of this. Keep this up and you can probably look forward to a ban. Stop acting like a child, you are a grown ass man.

FoxSpeedruns and Zanon like this
New York, USA

@BenInSweden Alright, so to be clear, that message you've shown is from a Discord I wasn't in at the time. Banning me from a Discord I'm not in, and thus haven't acted inappropriately in, is petty. Also, it's dated May 14th, which means it would have come as a result of either the messages I sent to FlyingFox in DMs, which aren't harassment at all and are quite civil on my part, or the conversation that FocusSight started with me, which can't be counted as harassment either because, as I said, he started it. That means this ban is purely due to hurt feelings on the part of one or both of them and not due to anything negative that I've actually done. I can't say I'm surprised either of them would act this way based on my previous interactions with them.

"Harass:

to disturb or bother persistently; torment, as with troubles or cares; pester"

This definition doesn't apply to my conversation with FlyingFox, nor my conversation with FocusSight.

"You revealed this was your intent here as you didn't get the result you wanted:

I'll try reaching out to each individual moderator of this board and I'll see if I can't hurry it up a bit. One of you has a spare minute coming up soon; I just need to figure out which one it is."

I said my intent was to reach out. You may choose to interpret that as me wanting to harass someone, but your interpretation doesn't translate into reality here.

For the sake of transparency, here's the DM conversation between me and FlyingFox regarding this issue. In it, you'll see no harassment. Again, please note that this is the both the start of everything as it's the first message I sent anyone regarding this sub-category as well as being the only communication I had with FlyingFox between then and the 14th - https://gyazo.com/43abb91a3065afed1b7ced897687b830

Additionally, here's the message I've been sending the other mods. Again, not harassment and quite civil - https://gyazo.com/6c97c083e734b8935f7eb06c0889925e

New York, USA

@Jimmy_Diamonds "It's just a videogame, chief."

Sure is.

"Also - the mods are people and would like to enjoy their own lives without having someone messaging them because of a temper tantrum."

No temper here. I asked for a thing, they said they'd do it. A deal was in place and they didn't back up their end of the bargain. As I've suggested before, the idea of "mods have lives" and all that doesn't apply here. If this was a speedrun awaiting verification as opposed to a request for a sub-category, SRC staff would have intervened by now because they've taken way longer than 21 days to act.

"They are not beholden to your schedule nor anyone else's..."

Well, maybe not beholden to my schedule, which to be clear, I don't have one. Like Captain America, I can do this all day. They are beholden to SRC's rules though. Does that necessarily apply here? IDK. But let's not pretend they have complete free reign. This isn't their site.

"...you don't get to demand that they take a 'minute' of their own time (which is voluntary offered, of course) because it's something you desire."

Never demanded, simply requested and pointed out each time they said they didn't have time that they could have done it in the time it took to tell me off, which is true.

"...previous history of harassment..."

Such as?

"...I would not blame Cyber, Focus et all if they decided to take even longer..."

I mean, they could do that. They've already said they'd do it when they had time and we know that hasn't panned out, so they might be doing it already. If they don't mind painting themselves as inefficient for the sake of continuing a petty one-sided grudge, that's their prerogative. I just want the category set up and I expect people to do what they say they'll do. That's not too much to ask.

"...your condescending attitude indicates that you are not deserving of their respect, as you clearly don't respect them."

Respect doesn't factor into this for me. I'm here for results, not feelings and emotions. I want a sub-category, not a best friend. I don't mind if the mods dislike me and they shouldn't mind if I dislike them. All that matters is, can we be civil enough to get through this and then go our separate ways? I say yes but I only speak for myself.

United Kingdom

Rather than playing the "I'm innocent" card, maybe you should include all the discord DMs aswell.

Zanon likes this
New York, USA

@Teeejj "Crisco, your entitled attitude is disgusting."

I don't feel entitled to anything. You may interpret it that way, but that's not reflective of what's inside me. Asking for a sub-category doesn't show entitlement to it, it shows interest in it. Asking that mods (and as an extension, people in general) stick to their word doesn't show entitlement to that, it shows interest in an ideal of people being honest and truthful with one another.

"...no one is on your schedule and everyone has a life outside of this."

I don't have a schedule. The schedule I try to hold people accountable to is the one SRC has set up for itself, the 21 days rule. That was their idea, not mine. It's arbitrary and just as easily could have been 14 days or 28 days, but they went with 21 so that's what I go with. I'm totally fine with the idea that the mods can get around to making this category whenever they have the time. I've asked each of them when that might be so I can get an idea of when to expect the category to be made. The thing that people maybe don't get is, if you're a mod and don't handle your responsibilities within 21 days, you're looked at as not doing your job. That's just how it is. We're not 21 days into this debacle, we're 43 days into it. Consider that there's nine mods and the task itself takes maybe 90 seconds. That's 90 seconds that one of nine needs to find in their day across a month and a half. 43 days is 1,032 hours. That's 61,920 minutes and we only needed maybe two of them. Inefficiency. You may not want to admit it, but that's what it is. If nine people can't do two minutes of work in 43 days, you need more people or you need better people. Sorry if that hurts someone's feelings, and it's certainly not my intent to, but it's true.

"Keep this up and you can probably look forward to a ban."

I don't expect to be banned from a board simply for asking for a sub-category, so that won't be what does it. I also don't think that expecting people to hold up their ends of the bargain is banworthy, so I'm not terribly concerned. What I would suggest is that if there are moderators out there who would attempt to ban me for these actions, and it's pre-meditated on their parts, which it seems to be 'cause y'all are talking about it as if it's a threat to keep me silenced and keep me from exposing truths, I'd be more worried about SRC staff coming down on y'all than on me. I could be wrong in my interpretation and maybe that's just me being idealistic and wanting to see corruption be punished, but that's how I see it. These boards are supposed to belong to everyone, and there's nothing I've said on these threads that crosses any kind of line. You guys on the other hand are engaged in a 6v1, threatening bans, linking years-old slander threads, name-calling, banning me from stuff I'm not even in. And all this because I asked for a place to put a speedrun. Isn't that a bit much?