It is time to discuss the flamer boost
1 year ago
China

This is a long existing glitch. It allows Player to do oob tricks in some maps. But due to some Cheaters used it to farm scores in ranked servers, devs have fixed it in normal games. See

https://steamcommunity.com/app/563560/discussions/2/3761102779884982811/

However, since it is very useful in speedrun and can be used if one downgrade the game, the devs have came to a final decision that they will keep it as "technically not cheating". See

https://github.com/ReactiveDrop/reactivedrop_public_src/pull/474

The glitch now can be enabled via one custom challenge.See

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2928119206&searchtext=Speedrun

The question is, are these two glitches allowed or not. As they are not "entirely" fixed, and devs somehow agree to use them for speedrun.

Another question is, is beta version allowed for speedrun.

Pays de la Loire, France

Flamer boost cant be used in solo speedrun anyway. Also challenges are not allowed for speedrun, few years i ask for new speedrun category with signle player challenge and i didnt get answer so i guess speedrun is only vanilla game, means also non beta version.

Edited by the author 1 year ago
China

But It can be used in coop. It's not a new challenge, but rather an old glitch that re enabled using challenge. The devs confirmed that the cvar is intended for speedrun purpose, otherwise they can simply eliminate the glitch. Moreover, the main reason for the glitch to be fixed is not It's a cheating, but others used it to cheat in ranked games.

The glitch is still available by downgrading the game to the previous version anyway

Edited by the author 1 year ago
Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, Germany

I myself do not care since I'm a pure solo-speedrunner, I find ways to go out of bounds without the flamer boost. (see BioGen Operation with the new "glass boost" at the end of my new run)

Drenthe, Netherlands

RD used to have a lot more glitches on a lot more campaigns, like the Super Roll. I miss being able to use those. If they started un-fixing speedrunning glitches, can they un-fix the Super Roll next?

If you can activate this thing just using a beta branch, that shouldn't be any problem in my eyes. If it requires console commands, it should be discussed - but I'm not an active runner, so don't put any weight on my opinion.

China

The devs opinion is that the two commands are considered as "technically not cheating". One is flammer boost, the other is what is called "marine rolls" which i don't know the exact meaning, i think this is what you called "super rolls", perhaps? They forbid them in ranked seevers and normal games, as they said "we can't not fixing bugs". But still, they left a back door to re-enable them for speedrun purpose. Thus i am asking if these two "gliches" are alliwed in the future.

The two "glitches" can only be enabled using a challenge. Currently beta only because the new "un-fix codes" are not pushed to public branch until next anniversary update. The specific challenge does nothing except enabling The two "glitches".

So, what i really ask is, Are re-enabling two fixed glitches using cvar acceptable by the community? Cinsidering the fact that 1.the two glitches are considered as "technically not cheating" by the devs. 2.the cvars are marked as "cheat" but dev member provided a challenge to re-enable them for speedrun.

My opinion is that teams can use the specific challenge to re-enable them. Currently, the two glitches are somehow recognized by the devs.

There might be more such glitches be fixed with cvars provided by devs for speedrun purposes.

Edited by the author 1 year ago
Netherlands

"technically not cheating"

We never said that. The main reason we are fixing certain glitches, is because a small part of the community is abusing it in ranked games.

The glitches were removed, the two convars were added by request later. Technically, they are marked fcvar_cheat and are only usable in custom challenges, like the speedrun one.

Regarding speedruns, we don't want to interfere too much in what is a legit or not. However, if we can help to support speedruns in a more easy way (like the convars), we are happy to do so.

Edited by the author 1 year ago
Milwaukee, WI, USA

"technically not cheating" was in reference to this category: https://www.speedrun.com/hl2ce?h=TNC&x=zd3wognk

China

ah, that means the flammer boost oob is forbidden. Sad.

You put flammer boost into sv_cheats 1 category just to ensure players can't use it in ranked servers. But, for this one, you could have it fixed only on ranked servers.

Edited by the author 10 months ago
Netherlands

A moderator here wrote an article about how to downgrade to previous versions:

https://www.speedrun.com/alien_swarm_reactive_drop/thread/7y6kz

Edited by the author 8 months ago
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