You know instead of doing all this shite you could have just...waited. People even said they would get on it, you can be patient I'm sure

@BenInSweden "Rather than playing the "I'm innocent" card, maybe you should include all the discord DMs aswell."

I've never claimed to be innocent, first of all. Second, I'd be happy to show them to you or anyone else off of SRC if FocusSight doesn't mind it. Both of us were heated in that conversation and could have been nicer to each other, but I said what I said and I won't hide it. That being said though, I'm not going to share it here because of how negative the conversation was. I don't want to bring that negativity into this specific thread. DM me on Discord if you want to talk about it further.

Nah, it's alright, Focus gave me permission to post all of them, but this is the one in particular that I'm sure everyone agrees is uncalled for and warrants the ban:

@Iona_Rose "You know instead of doing all this shite you could have just...waited. People even said they would get on it, you can be patient I'm sure"

I have been waiting. From May 11th until now, it's been 43 days. In fact, I'm content to keep waiting. if you notice the early part of the thread before everyone started coming at me with all this aggression, the only comments I made at first were for the purpose of posting run VODs so the mods knew they were available. After that, when each mod went out of their way to let me know it'd get done when they had time, I pointed out that they could have set it up in the time it took to make each of their posts. The conversation could have stopped there but other people who aren't runners and aren't moderators decided to get involved and make things heated. I'm tots down to be patient, just I have been already.

@BenInSweden - What you've just done is very inappropriate. I told you that anyone could see those if they wanted to but that it'd be better to keep them off of this thread due to the negativity within. By introducing those to this thread, especially after I'd expressed that I didn't want them here, you've shown that your interest here isn't to solve a problem but to create drama. I'd ask that you stop now.

@CriscoWild "You could have done it in the time it took you to make that post."

That, is not being patient so dont even try it

@Iona_Rose "@CriscoWild "You could have done it in the time it took you to make that post."

That, is not being patient so dont even try it"

Why do you overlook the 43 days aspect of this when you make a comment about my alleged lack of patience? That's a choice you're making and I don't understand it.

Im "ignoring" it because in the context of this thread all ive seen you be so far is a whiny brat because something wasnt done as soon as you wanted it to be.

Saying you will "message every single moderator to find free time" is also incredibly uneccessary.

So as an observer who has spotted the front page, yes, thats what i see and im not "ignoring" anything.

Where does SR.C state that categories need to be set up within a specific timeframe?

@Iona_Rose "Im "ignoring" it because in the context of this thread all ive seen you be so far is a whiny brat because something wasnt done as soon as you wanted it to be."

I understand. You're not aware of the full context of the situation. In that case, I can't blame you.

So, the initial request was made between May 10th and May 11th via a brief DM involving me and FlyingFox. You can see a link to a screenshot of that DM in this thread. After that DM concluded on May 11th, I did not speak to FlyingFox again in any capacity until June 18th, if you count making this thread and directing it at no one in particular. If you only count my response to FlyingFox's post directed at me, I hadn't spoken to her again until June 23rd. That means there was either a 37 day gap or a 42 day gap between our only two communications regarding this matter, depending on what you go with. That's plenty patient.

Later on May 11th, after the FlyingFox conversation, FocusSight chose to DM me on Discord and we had a conversation there. By the end of it, he'd committed to setting up the sub-category, both in DMs to me and in DMs to GrimmyHunter. Once those conversations were finished, I hadn't messaged him again until June 22nd when I asked if he'd seen this thread. That's a 41 day gap between communications. Again, plenty patient.

"Saying you will "message every single moderator to find free time" is also incredibly uneccessary."

Not from my perspective. You have to understand what things look like from my point of view to grasp why I do what I do. From where I'm sitting, I've waited over a month for FlyingFox and FocusSight to get done what they said they would have, and it didn't work. When you're reliant on somebody else to do a job and it doesn't get done, you have to decide: do I want to give up or do I want to find another way? I choose to find another way. The easiest path to victory is to simply pick another moderator and ask them to set it up, as they all have the ability to do so. It isn't unnecessary at all, it is in fact super necessary if I want to achieve my goal.

@OmniMitch

"but I find it incredibly difficult to believe that on a board with-- count them-- 9 mods, not one of you has had even a minute to make this category Crisco's asking for"

Yeah and eight of those mods dont deal with Sonic 4, the category he's talking about, so your point is moot. Nice try though.

Also @CriscoWild, this isn't the first time you've been pulled up for something like this.

You were called out for the same thing by members of the Metroid Prime community.

Walk yourself back son, you're not getting anywhere by being this pig headed.

@OmniMitch The thread was created by your friend there, whom apparently has been spending his time attacking and harassing people privately, then feigning ignorance when that's brought up. This is behaviour they've had for a few years now, according to Bash Prime, all the way back in 2017, and I quote:

"He joined the Prime discord earlier this year for a really brief amount of time (like a day I think), demanding we open up a trifecta category/leaderboard for all 3 Prime games despite no one else being interested, (...), then was combative and had the audacity to call out several people for being "rude" all because he was told "no"."

This is, quite literally, what he is doing here. Which is something according to many other people, he's done a lot: demand a leaderboard/category: if he gets it, he abandons it. If he doesn't get it, he goes full 5 year old with a tantrum, then pretends he's the victim.

There is no "work to be done" here: your friend has no right to come to a community he's been banned from, make demands, insult people in both private and public fashion, drag the drama he started into a Twitch Stream he is a mod on, throw offensive remarks, twist the events in a way that benefits him and then say people are bullying him for extra karma points. He knows fully well he was banned and what for.

As for the "21 days policy", here's the thing that you two don't seem to understand, and here's the copy of what's in the site's rules:

"• Once you have submitted your run to a game on the site, please wait at least 14 days prior to contacting the moderators of the game regarding your run. • Game moderators are generally provided 21 days to handle a run submission. If the game moderators have logged into the site recently, please do not ask site staff prior to this. It is not a requirement for moderators to verify all runs every time they visit the site, we understand people have lives."

This is not a "they have to do it within 21 days " rule. This is a guideline, and no, you can't just have a "black-and-white template" on how to moderate a category/leaderboard that is meant to include several different games that in no way, shape or form will ever have someone that knows the runs, the routes, the innerworkings of each individual game involved. That's why each category under these leaderboards has its own moderators which also splits the workload as it should be.

Mods telling him "Yeah, when I can I will get it done" isn't an enforceable "legal contract" nor an agreement, nor a "deal" of any sort: it's a courtesy that they voluntarily choose to extend to users out of good will, and usually "normal" people will understand and wait, instead of constantly bombarding them with private messages full of snarky comments or derogatory terms, one of them outlined previously. Moderators, Verifiers, Supermods are doing this for free, volunteering their own personal time whenever they have any, and If your friend doesn't have a life of his own and doesn't want to understand how it works, too bad, but everyone else does and if he doesn't want to accept that he's in the wrong and acting like a tit while wanting to keep this drama he started while pretending "this is the mods' fault" and that "they should always be available 24/7" for him, then he needs to take a good look in the mirror, get his head out of his ass and grow up.

@Teeejj "...this isn't the first time you've been pulled up for something like this. You were called out for the same thing by members of the Metroid Prime community."

I don't actually think I know what you're referring to here. You'll have to go into further detail to refresh my memory.

@Zanon "your friend there, whom apparently has been spending his time attacking and harassing people privately, then feigning ignorance when that's brought up."

That's not true and I'd ask that you not claim it was. I don't harass or attack, I merely ask for what I want. People who don't like the idea of actually having to do work as a mod may choose to take my requests as attacks, but that doesn't make it the truth.

The BashPrime quote is not accurate. I never demanded the category but I did express interest in it. If I recall, I had started the conversation by asking why no one had set it up yet and pointing out that it makes sense to make one given the general proclivity of speedrunners to engage in trilogy runs (Sonic, Mega Man, Spyro, Crash, etc.). The idea that none of them were interested is also not accurate; while they seemed uninterested in setting the board up until someone had done runs, they also within six months (again, IIRC) had organized a 10-ish person race of the Prime trilogy. The interest and skill level was there, I simply suggested it earlier than they were prepared for and because I was new to the community, they took offense because they felt like I had to pay my dues before I could have an opinion on something. Elitism reared its head. I don't recall being rude or combative. Some people will remember it differently though and some people will interpret things I say in ways I don't intend, just like now.

"...demand a leaderboard/category: if he gets it, he abandons it. If he doesn't get it, he goes full 5 year old with a tantrum, then pretends he's the victim."

Uh, no? What board/category have I successfully gotten made and then abandoned? I've done runs of every single one. I'm not known as the kind of runner who sticks to one game and grinds out WRs. If you're expecting me never to move on from a specific game, you don't know me well.

"...your friend has no right to come to a community he's been banned from..."

Again, wasn't "banned" from anything I was even a part of in the first place and that didn't happen until after my request was made, so you should probably abandon that ship.

"He knows fully well he was banned and what for."

Yeah, I know now that someone showed it to me. Why would I have known prior to this? I wasn't even in that Discord server and whomever "banned" me from it didn't bother to message me elsewhere to let me know. That "ban" was strictly done to make themselves feel better and/or sully my name in a place where I couldn't defend myself because I wasn't there. It was petty.

"This is not a "they have to do it within 21 days " rule. This is a guideline"

Zanon, what do you think happens after 21 days? You must understand that generally speaking, especially as it relates to verifying runs anyway, after 21 days of inactivity a moderator is thought to be at risk of being actioned on by SRC staff. People get replaced as mods all the time due to that rule. In effect, mods do have to act within that time frame because that is what SRC has deemed to be reasonable. Now, whether or not that applies to creating categories is a different matter entirely but in the absence of a hard ruling on that subject, I choose to apply the general standard of 21 days.

"...usually "normal" people will understand and wait, instead of constantly bombarding them with private messages..."

Waited 30+ days, didn't I? Didn't "constantly bombard" anyone with anything. Whoever told you otherwise legitimately lied to you, and if nobody told you that and you're making it up via your own assumptions, you're severely mistaken. As explained in earlier posts, "there was either a 37 day gap or a 42 day gap between" my only two communications with FlyingFox and "a 41 day gap between communications" with FocusSight. So, whether intentionally or not, you're being misleading right now.

"...while pretending "this is the mods' fault" and that "they should always be available 24/7" for him..."

Reminder that those are not direct quotes from me. Those are things I haven't said.

Seriously Crisco, do you write essays as a response to every little thing someone says? Does every little comment really need to be analysed in such a way?

Do you not see that everything you are doing is talking you further and further from getting the board you want? The mods are under no obligation to give you a board, regardless of whether conditions are satisfied or not.

All you're doing is antagonising people, and I can promise you, no one gets what they want by antagonising the people you need to do something for you. You're just going to give them reason to NOT do it!

@huds601 "Seriously Crisco, do you write essays as a response to every little thing someone says?"

I write as much as I feel is necessary to properly reply to someone. There's no reason why that should bother you.

"Does every little comment really need to be analysed in such a way?"

No. That's why I don't reply to every little comment.

"Do you not see that everything you are doing is talking you further and further from getting the board you want?"

No, I don't see that. Any back and forth between third parties in this chat should have no effect on the amount of free time any of the mods have in a given day. Since they've said they'd get around to it when they had time, I don't really see correlation there between the unnecessary arguments and the lack of sub-category. Do you have any reason to believe the mods were being dishonest when they said under what conditions they'd set it up?

"The mods are under no obligation to give you a board, regardless of whether conditions are satisfied or not."

Sure, I guess. If they don't mind lying to me, Grimmy, and Cyber, yeah they could just walk away. I can't think of a good reason why they'd choose to do that though, as it just prolongs this unnecessary drama.

"All you're doing is antagonising people..."

That's not true. Every message I've sent in this thread, aside from the posts featuring the VODs that are to be added to the new board, have been responses to people who direct messages at me. If you don't like talking to me, stop talking to me. No one's forcing you to engage in this drama. It should have always just been between the runners and the moderators anyway. If certain people involved in this didn't always feel the need to ask for others to come running to her/his defense, this thread would be an entire page shorter. You antagonize yourselves by entering into the discussion and allowing yourselves to get worked up over it. Just walk away.

"You're just going to give them reason to NOT do it!"

Hey man, like I've said before, I'm not on a schedule. If the mods would prefer to expose themselves as liars and bad at their jobs than take 90 seconds to set up a sub-category for Sonic 4, that's their prerogative and I can't stop them. I don't even like the game to begin with. It's not the end of my world if this sub-category never gets set up. I'm here out of principle more than love for the game. We can wait another month, another two months, another three months, etc. until every one of you finally starts to realize that they had no intention of setting this up in the first place, that the whole problem is them being inefficient, lazy, and all up in their feelings about me rather than Crisco being toxic, and that any number of people would be better suited to mod this board. Maybe you'll even be one of them, who knows? Six months down the line, it might be Huds601 setting up All Episodes All Emeralds for me. Wouldn't that be something?

That "ban" was strictly done to make themselves feel better and/or sully my name in a place where I couldn't defend myself because I wasn't there. It was petty.

You make the assumption here that people knew you had already left the community, at no point did it come up in the mod discussion about this that you had already left. You were talking to mods through discord, and resorted to calling one a "Retard", over having a category added you hadn't even provided a run for yet, and from that the decision was made that you should be banned.

I believe, had you been in the community at the time, you would have received a DM from the bot stating why you were banned.

Whether you were in the community or not at the time doesn't change the fact: your behaviour was abhorrent, and the ban was justified, and my statement in my first post is still very much true. Not sure what you were going to do to "defend" yourself, if you had known as I'm not sure what defense there is for flat out calling someone a "retard", but hey, you might as well at this point.

"That's why I don't reply to every little comment."

Proceeds to do exactly that... LOL

"I don't even like the game to begin with. It's not the end of my world if this sub-category never gets set up."

Kinda seems like it is by how desperate you are to address every single little thing. Need to learn to chill dude! If you don't like the game and don't care for the board, stop requesting it. If it's on behalf of someone else, let them request it.

Better yet, go create a spreadsheet of the leaderboard! Nothing says it has to be hosted on SRC to be valid.

"You antagonize yourselves by entering into the discussion..."

Typical sociopathic behaviour - "it's not my fault I'm antagonising you, it's yours that you feel that way".