Deathwarps
7 years ago
United States

Changed it to have Deathless first.

Edited by the author 7 years ago
Arizona, USA

Looks a lot better now. Looking forward to see more metroid runners to do these categories

United States

I left the Up+A in the category name just to make it easier for people to pick out what's allowed. In addition, Up+A and deathwarps utilize slightly different strats (except for 100%, which actually looks like it'd be a different route altogether), so I think deathwarps warrants it's own category.

I'm very late to this thread but I was incredibly confused when I saw my run was placed under deathless. I want to suggest that "deathless" be renamed to "no warps" as that is what it really is. No deathwarps and no up+a warps is the route of that run. "Deathless" seems to imply that up+a is acceptable when it isn't.

That said, I'm disappointed that people want to argue that a "debug code" shouldn't be used in place of deathwarps. Deathwarping takes longer to warp than simply pressing up+a and makes it arbitrary. There is no reason not to up+a when you want to warp, as even taking damage for an intended death later means losing time while taking the damage. It inherently has no superiority over up+a except trying to use "debug code" as a derogatory insult. I think this is part of where HavocProdigy was coming from when you use language such as it being "outdated" or "simply nonsense" when in fact it's not.

If you wanted to run the game with warps, then you ran any% which allows both deathwarps and up+a. if you didn't want to warp, then you ran no warps - it was simple logic. That you can do the any% no warps route with deathwarps has been known, but it's just nonsense - why not just up+a if you're going to warp?

That said, if you want to run the game without up+a but with deathwarps, then go for it. Just know that it's incredibly arbitrary and I don't think it should be taken seriously as any%, 100%, or no warps has been. It's even more arbitrary than 0 boss in my opinion.

Edited by the author 7 years ago
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United States

The reason why I called it Deathless is because Up+A does exactly the same thing as killing yourself, just without the need to take damage. The game treats both the exact same, so I've always considered Up+A to be a death.

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I see where you're coming from in that they work the same, but on the face of it the language implies that you can up+a warp - the category makes more sense to those who don't run the game that the category involved no type of warps.

I don't think "deathless" was ever a stipulation of the run category, as for example, you could die to Kraid and start back from the top of his lair and still finish the run without using a death or up+a to warp, even though you died. The same can be true of dying to metroids in Tourian, or Mother Brain.

Edited by the author 7 years ago
Remz likes this
United Kingdom

I agree with lurk that No Warps/Warpless is probably a better name. I have no real opinion about separating up+a from deathwarps, but the fact that people are running the no up+a category would suggest there is some demand.

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