TheNannerpuss12TheNannerpuss12

Add a tab the either says "yes I did SC" or "no I didn't". Making a new category seems a bit over the top for RoD, but the fact that SC saves a lot of time means it deserves to be noted in some way whether is was done or not.

 
  RebelDragon95RebelDragon95

It just needs a main RoD tab and 2 sub tabs, one for sc and one without, that's it

 
  AxendsAxends

What Rebel said. But even thought it's an arbitrary category, I don't think it should be treated any differently from any other category.

 
  gamebrain1gamebrain1

I'm guessing an agreement has been reached then?

 
  Bl00dyBizkitzBl00dyBizkitz

I personally don't think the final decision should be up to the people who actually run the category, so the most recent runners (Moon and Sonic) should be the ones who make the decision. I do want to point out a couple of things though.

@RebelDragon: "...I really do feel like this "glitch" is too major to mix in with the older runs."

I'd like to point to a similar situation we dealt with. When BBSFMHD runs were relatively new, Aqua Crit and Aqua LV1 Crit were 2 separate categories, and we had no clue how good the EXP Zero "glitch" was. When we found out how fast it was and how LV1 Crit COMPLETELY obsoleted regular Crit because of this "glitch", we did not make separate categories they were just morphed together under the assumption that no one would really want to run regular Crit anyway because of how obsolete it was. Since then, I don't think I've seen a single person do a run of Crit w/o EXP Zero nor have I seen anyone complain that there aren't multiple categories.
So I guess the point I'm making is, just because a "glitch" causes a difference in the run, I don't think that's enough to warrant making separate categories, and there are a lot more variables that should be looked into.

@Axends: "That's like saying the save corruption for Pokémon Gold should be merged with the regular Any% cause it's just another time saver."
"And if it's just another timesaver then there's no need for CoR Skip for Gold Crown to be it's separate category cause it's just a major timesaver"

And this is one variable that I'm talking about. If this new find or new "glitch" makes a MAJOR difference in the route, then I believe there should be separate categories. So what is a "major difference" then? Save Corruption in Pokemon Gold is obviously a "major difference" because of the gigantic amount of differences in strats used, route used, time taken to complete the run. It is a completely unique run compared to glitchless. Same with CoR Skip in Gold Crown. A gigantic chunk of the run that required multiple different strategies is gone with the skip and it requires a completely different re-route to complete the run. LV99 Data Org vs. LV1 Data Org? LV99 Data Org completely glosses over an insane amount of strategies required in LV1 Data Org to go fast and shaves off 10 minutes based on stats. It's a completely different run than LV1 Data Org.
So what about Save Corruption in RoD RTA? Well, you're using the same strats, they're just faster and more reliable. You don't have to worry so much about dying to Darkballs or to Dark Hide. Is that enough of a difference? I honestly don't think so, but that's just one man's opinion. You're using the same exact strategies and the same exact route. It's the same speedrun but faster.
You may have reasons to think No Save Corruption and Save Corruption are different enough to be their own unique speedruns, but I don't think bringing up Gold Crown and Pokemon Gold were very good examples.

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  JHobzJHobz

For the people saying "it doesn't need to be a separate category, it just needs to be two tabs under RoD RTA," that is a separate category. We use subcategories fairly often and consider them to be separate categories. If the decision were to split the categories, it was always (probably) going to be splitting them as subcategories. For example, Aqua vs. Terra vs. Ventus are all considered different categories; we just use subcategories to keep things cleaner. Same with the difficulties.

Just figured I'd clear that up.

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  AlexisMousyAlexisMousy

So basically what we're looking at is a pretty half and half opinion here in the end.

 
  TimmiluvsTimmiluvs

Not according to the Strawpoll.

One option is winning by a landslide.

So if you haven't voted, please do.

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  AlexisMousyAlexisMousy

I voted almost immediately, but anyone who hasn't should definitely go ahead and do so

 
  RebelDragon95RebelDragon95

Technically exp zero is a hidden property/side effect of having it equipped so I do not consider it a "glitch" since it was intended to be that way.

What we are talking about here is not something that was intended by the developers.

Just my opinion of exp zero.

And yeah sub-categories is winning at the moment.

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  AxendsAxends

I would just rather have a glitchless and glitched section for it like most games that do it. A glitch is still a glitch.

 
  Bl00dyBizkitzBl00dyBizkitz

They never intended for it to be THAT broken lol. Either that or they're pretty shit developers.

Also for "a glitch is still a glitch"
Can we get a new category for KH2 for "No Master Form Glitch" since the devs obviously didn't intend for you to get drive back that quickly? Can we also get a new category for LV1 CoR RTA for "Intended Route" since Master hoving up the middle room is a Sequence Break?

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  AxendsAxends

Master Form glitch isn't even a glitch. It's literally cause Master Form's Magnet lasts longer than any other magnet causing Donald and Goofy to not come back. You probably only get Drive back faster because how many hits it's doing. And a sequence break isn't even a glitch either

 
  gamebrain1gamebrain1

Who determines what a glitch is then? As far as I am aware it is something unintended by the developers in the programming. And to me, both Master form magnet and EXP zero in fm seem like that. They may not be quote on quote glitches but the basis is similar to save corruption, its unintended. Nevertheless,since the majority wants to split up to 2 different categories, who am I to argue.

 
  JHobzJHobz

For the record, we wouldn't make a decision on this while the thread is still active. We generally wait a few days for a thread to be silent to then tally up those in favor of the various proposals. So even if that strawpoll is leaning one way at the end of the day or something, we'd still give it some time so everyone can make their voices heard.

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  TimmiluvsTimmiluvs

So now that it's been a couple days, is it fair to say based on the poll and this thread that a decision has been made?

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  TimmiluvsTimmiluvs

Ping

It's been almost 5 days now, what's going on?

 
  Sly1020Sly1020

im just waiting on the decision. i got a 7:18 and i know btrue got a 7:3x so that will be 3 runners for the new category unless someone else has done a run