There's already like nobody to run this game. In games who have at least some people to run it, you can have at least 2 leaderboards because every player will be satisfied with what he wants to do. In the case of Most Wanted, there's quite nobody (just like 3 or 4 maybe interested, but we'll see in the future). If we do 2 separate leaderboards for this game, I'm afraid that there will be no challenge at all between runners and so it will be boring as fuck.

Tho I didn't said that NG+ is bad, I think the best should be to keep it in a single leaderboard.

Then let's wait for an admin to tell us his feelings about that.

I understand it's manipulation, but first, I need to try it for a full run, to see clearly how it works, and second, this run is atm about 10 hours long with NO DAMN PAUSE ! There is no unskippable cutscenes, no long loadings, no waits at any point of the run.

So, just a way to gain a bit of time is really not too much.

A carrer mode isn't possible in NG+. It just doesn't exist on this game

Ok, so the glitch i talked about yestrday with one lap circuits is effective ! This is definitely the big discovery in this run and I think on a full run we could gain maybe more than 20 minutes, if it worls properly on most circuits & knockouts.

I still need to search harder to really undrstand it, but here's the thing : If you drive a circuit (or a knockout) with another career profile than your run, in free race (I drove it with the Golf too, but playing it with another car might now work, didn't tested), during your career it will show 3 laps, but the race will be over after one lap.

I have to test :

• If it works on all circuits and knockouts
• If saving is removing this glitch
• If we restart a glitched race, is the glitch still there?
• Is it working for Blacklist duel races?

Although, question for admins : Is it ok if I drive these races before I create a new profile for my run? I mean, it's not supposed to be counted in a run, I hope.

So first, I'll finish my route planning, then I'll look closer to this glitch.

Really? :o I didn't even noticed it was a possibility. Thanks ! If we think about it it's so obvious...

Now there's a possibility to drive the lotus, which would be a time gain in this case.

Doing #7 atm.

I think I glitched the game hard today, I still don't know what happended exactly. On one of the circuits I need for Kaze, I finished it in one lap, but normally it requires 3. So I gained 2 minutes right there.

Later, I saw that my pursuit heat went back to 1, and I have no clue on what happended. I didn't get caught, I didn't even saw a cop today. And this is making me lose HUGE time.

@CyberThunder No way. I don't have a precise estimated time right now as I only routed till #10 blacklist. My 1st goal is sub 10h, maybe sub 9 is possible, and maybe if my previsions are bad a sub 8 would be poss. But that wont go way under that.

Yeah definitely if it's sure that playing directly 240 SX is faster and impossible for standard edition to go faster than this, it should be a separate category.

Let's just keep these 2 categories and it'll be all fine I think. + challenge series% if needed.

@CyberThunder Yes, I am currently routing MostWanted. As it's Carbon topic here, I invite you to go to MW forum or check directly my routing which is WIP. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_Ok9A0WJd-ZM-II0JEcqjOwO9wZb2tOka5c8CapCMLs

Maybe the feeling, I don't know. Tho at the beginning of the game the Punto isn't that bad, it's just a bit slower. But yes, the IS300 is REALLY slow.

I just finished #11 right now, starting #10.

Hello, I'd like to run this game after I'm done with Most Wanted 2005. I followed a bit your discussion and I'd like to give my point of view.

Personnally I've got the standard edition on Xbox 360, and I don't plan to buy the game another time just for one car.

The last idea Ewil proposed is good. NG could be only drove with career cars, and then we make a NG+ game ( or NG DLC, dunno how you wanna call it), in which we can use any car you want.

Hello, I'm currently starting to make a route too, today I'm doing all Sonny races with all 3 base cars with stock parts. I'll update these notes always when I play, so keep looking for it sometimes !

By the way, tell me if some English words aren't good in it, I play French version of the game, so it might contain French words I didn't translated ^^

Here they are atm : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_Ok9A0WJd-ZM-II0JEcqjOwO9wZb2tOka5c8CapCMLs

Atm it looks like Simon's document but I plan to build a real route with taking into account the cash and the bounty. Taz will be done tomorrow, maybe Vic as well. I've got some free time so I'll try to do it as fast as possible for you to drive entire runs. ( I could do it too, but as my upload is bad I can't stream, and a 10 hour run is so long to upload I'd die before it would be finished :D)

Oh and by the way we're on 360, so as we already said earlier on this topic, if one day you want to do a race or something, just tll us ^^

Strangely it's not really good IGT. 1:27:16

I think it's like 10-20 secs better from our last PB so it's normal. Tho we don't have anymore lags (Cable FTW), so I thought we'd gain more. That's why RTA is more reliable ^^

Improved our PB today, now 1:50:07, still in Normal ( I don't think we'll play Amateur tho)

Had an OK run till 5-1, but lost 25 secs on U-8, as he didn't want to die with a single rocket. Then we lost almost 1minute on 6-3, because we were in a hurry with the money and had to reload in front of Wesker final form to buy a rocket :/

We could've done high 1:48 without these 2 trolls, sadly.

Atm we're also trying a bit to run 'A desperate escape' chapter, in Amateur difficulty.

We're not running atm, but during the last few days we noticed that every door locks can be broke with only 2 gun shots + a kick. So it gives a little time gain on each lock, which can approx. give 10 seconds on a full run.

Does each lock need 3 bullets too in amateur difficulty? What i said is for normal. And maybe you already did noticed it, if it's the case, my bad :s

Yeah thanks for the help, I appreciate. But nevertheless I don't understand how to do this boss in one cycle in normal. We tried a few times in amateur and managed to do it once.

But anyway it's not that problematic as we always do the same things on this boss, so maybe one day it'll pass!

We trained today and manged to do 2-2 boss in one cycle, but El gigante in one cycle is just impossible for us in normal difficulty. We tried hard and nothing to do for it. Maybe we're doing something wrong, maybe the latency is a real factor, I don't know.

Yeah we tried but didn't managed to make it once atm. Also I don't think that we can find a setup to regularly one cycle it. Unless you got a trick? By the way, did you ever one cycle the 2-2 boss? Or is it impossible in normal difficulty?

But we changed some strats just before our PB time, and I saw the way you kill chainsaw majini during 2-1. We apply the same strat for normal difficulty now and it works damn good.

We'll try to upload the run in the next few days but our internet is so shitty it dc always during upload :p

I saw one of your replays on twitch, I think you talk about that one. Yeah you were doing nice.

We'll try to do some amateur difficulty runs later. If one day you want to do some races tell us we'll be pleased to join. ^^

New PB yesterday, we did 1:50:30 RTA, normal difficulty. There's ofc still many places to gain some time, but according to our low experience in speedrunning, we're proud ^^ Also, we had 1 death during 4-2, my friend went straight into the "laser" while kicking a pillar :p