Sub 2:00 is possible.

Can this be added under Misc. categories? It's actually quite a difficult task. I had about 50 attempts and never completed a round which abided by these rules. This was the my best attempt:

Timer starts at first key press at the counter and ends after all pins have collapsed on the final frame and the camera has moved behind Niko.

Rules: You must play a full game. All frames must end in either a strike or spare.

Everyone needs to remember that these DLC packages are OFFICIAL R¤ RELEASES. These aren't community mods. They're intended for GTA V and when you download/install them, they become a part of GTA V. In a way, they can be seen as updates. Updates are meant to fix issues whether that issue is a bug or the lack of content in a certain area. We allow a IV runner to use whichever version of the game they want and I'm aware this isn't quite the same, but it's still considered DLC. It's content, you're downloading it and it updates the game.

Update: an act of bringing something or someone up to date, or an updated version of something.

Have a problem with exclusiveness? : VICE CITY PEOPLE!!! Have a problem with paid DLC? : My post on "The Elite" / the idea of spending money/going the extra mile to get WR (if you want VC any% WR, you need to buy a computer and buy a copy of the game...so many more examples...)

Does anyone need reminded about the use of SSD???

This seems so clear to me. I'm starting to wonder how some people are seemingly not seeing the logic here.

(Everyone needs to remember the difference between PC and console Vice City. Exclusiveness shouldn't matter.)

For all of the "No DLC" people, remember that there'll be people who'll want to download DLC, both free and paid, for use in MP. This may turn into an issue when it comes to how this DLC transfers over into SP. It'd be a shame to discourage potential runners due to worries of accidentally pulling out a DLC weapon and killing a few guys or getting into a DLC vehicle for a moment. Who knows what issues may arise in this area, the ones I named can't possibly be the only concerns. Not allowing DLC may seem like a simpler way of handling this, but it may actually end up creating problems. Additionally, adding more arbitrary categories is also a horrible idea because it splits up the community. Please go back and reread my post in the other thread if you haven't yet or would like to refresh yourself: http://www.speedrun.com/gtav/thread/jhdxf/1#kw9z4

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Regarding Classic% and Any%, and I guess 100%, All Mission%, etc.

1. No DLC (including gains/advantages from pre-ordering and returning from PS3/360, free DLC, paid DLC, and DLC/gains/advantages which are no longer obtainable)

2. ONLY free DLC which is available on ALL consoles (disallows use of pre-order/returning bonuses and DLC/gains/advantages which are no longer obtainable)

3. BOTH free and paid DLC which is available on ALL consoles (disallows use of pre-order/returning bonuses and DLC/gains/advantages which are no longer obtainable)

4. ONLY free DLC (exclusiveness doesn't matter) (disallows use of pre-order/returning bonuses and DLC/gains/advantages which are no longer obtainable)

5. BOTH free and paid DLC (exclusiveness doesn't matter) (disallows use of pre-order/returning bonuses and DLC/gains/advantages which are no longer obtainable)

6. ALL DLC (including gains/advantages from pre-ordering and returning from PS3/360, free DLC, paid DLC, and DLC/gains/advantages which are no longer obtainable)

Current Poll Results: (you've got to include a single number, if you want to be counted) 1: 2 2: 1 3: 1 4: 1 5: 6 <--- WINNER 6: 0

In response to Zoton's 2014-11-20, 03:52 post:

I agree with every last thing you say. Additionally, advantages from PRE-ORDERING a game should NOT be allowed. IDC if it's considered dlc or not, it shouldn't ever be allowed in a speedrun unless a category is added which allows it.

Honestly, if you're a GTA V Any% or Classic% runner and want to use DLC, (not from a pre-order or a special, such as returning from PS3, or in general something which can no longer be obtained), just use it. JUST USE IT! Ignore those who don't agree and eventually these people will either give up and/or begin using the DLC themselves. Anyone remember the Cyberthunder vs. a handful of other GTA V runners "feud"? Yeah, we've seen it before. Guess what.....some, if not all, of these "other GTA V runners" are now using DLC. This is honestly getting silly. We all know DLC will be allowed in both Any% and Classic% a year from now. You'd be a fool to think otherwise.

Oh, and please don't include a column to state whether or not you used DLC during your run. It's not needed and can only lead to more division, which is never good.

Many attempts and this was the only one which ended up showing the police terminal screen while loading the mission. Not sure if I had control for fractions of a second which I could have used to load a vigilante mission while the mission was loading. The fact that it does show up and then goes away gives me hope.

(The "all" in the title should be changed to "certain")

I believe this same thing happened to SA with Los Santos%. I regret ever encouraging the idea. Misc. categories just take focus away from the full runs. A runner should come into a game like IV realizing that they're either in it for the "long run" or shouldn't be at all. I'm also going to remove all highlights of my RS runs.

lol shO aiNt...!!! !!!! LMAO!

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There's a heli strat for Hostile Negotiation which saves about a minute. It involves your heli falling off the edge of the warehouse roof, down onto the street. It's very risky. I'll get a video posted later regarding this.

I see your point, S. The teams could be set up so that after adding up each team's member's predicted times, they end up being as close as possible.

I compared the time it takes to ... leave M&TM, get the heli from the apt, use during RR and use during RS ... to ... same as above, just no heli being used. W/O the heli was faster.

My new plan is to get the Annihilator after C&P -> DYHP -> FD -> N.L.L. -> LO -> S(hadow) -> leave heli at Bohan apt. spot -> drive to RTB -> and never touch the heli again until after Luck of the Irish. I timed and compared lots of things last night, both before and after Roman's Sorrow.

Classic%, Three Leaf Clover splits: https://www.dropbox.com/s/a7dtie0e07qhxpe/Three%20Leaf%20Clover%20Classic%25.lss?dl=0 ...and layout: https://www.dropbox.com/s/mcjtrgq405ixfmt/Three%20Leaf%20Clover%20Classic%25.lsl?dl=0

Helpful strats. A 35 second break if you need to get a drink, use the bathroom, feed the dog, mow the lawn, etc. Also, you can receive the health pack inside the building by running along the building's outer wall.

Saturday's TLC race:

Leave a reply stating when you'd be able to participate in the race, thanks. Reminder- This has been planned for Saturday, let's start from there.

I thought I'd make a post to explain the fastest way to handle certain races.

Classic% Roman's Sorrow w/o Brucie's missions:

Beginning at the end of Easy Fare... Hopefully you get a good car for Jamaican Heat Concrete Jungle immediately after Jamaican Heat Normal route up until the end of Crime and Punishment: Bull in a China Shop -> Hung out to Dry -> Clean Getaway -> Ivan -> Uncle Vlad -> Crime and Punishment Drive to the Annihilator at the airport Do You Have Protection with Annihilator Final Destination with Annihilator Shadow with Annihilator Get back in the heli and fly to Logging On Fly to No Love Lost Fly to Rigged to Blow -> Fly to the truck Drive to Master & the Molotov -> Russian Rev. -> Roman's Sorrow End.

More to come once the fastest route is known for sure, or at least pretty close to being sure...

A Police Maverick which is still considered "NPC" (will fly up when exited unless turned off) will always despawn during No Love Lost. If you want to use the heli during this mission, try to leave it on the Bohan save spot during Shadow. It will become "non-NPC" and repaired after a Shadow cutscene if left on the save spot.

Odd that this occurs during this mission and not during any of the others (Do You...Protection, Final Destination, Concrete Jungle, to name a few...)

Also, if you want to kill the biker without getting into a vehicle, run towards the intersection that the biker will turn right at. As you run towards this intersection, the biker will receive a red blip over his head, which will also appear on the mini map. The biker becomes vulnerable when these blips appear.

Don't know if someone has proposed this before, but I got the idea while watching a Halo relay race.

"Relay race" - a race between teams of two or more contestants with each team member covering a specified portion of the entire course.

The Halo relay race is being done in chronological order (Halo Reach before Halo CE). A GTA relay could be done in order of release date. Multiple teams, a runner on each team per game, maybe even multiple categories per game. Looks like a lot of fun.