"Everyone one of the times zoton mentions....." The example I gave was from a private conversation. Whoops Rye?

"If you could tell me things i have done wrong as a moderator" You removed all mods without a single word to anyone. You took it upon yourself to make radical changes without consultation, something you have noted is not something mods should do.

"as long as the place they have on the board" No. I both said that I believed any error found should be corrected, as they were before your hostile takeover, and that hunting for small errors that did nothing to change rankings wasn't practical. You literally listed errors where you took differences of +0.5 and rounded them up to 1 as an error, I will honestly say these do not matter. They didn't matter to you for two god dam years...but suddenly...when power can be taken, you care.

JOEdrinksBEER "second look at the times and fixing them" as was noted early on, they were fixed. Immediately. It was even shown in imgur. You continue to make assertions that are directly false, simply by reading this forum. I asked you why you were here because literally nothing about this outcome will influence you. You do not see the GTA V runners attempting to determine which mods control the boards of the other GTAs. What do you feel gives you a say here? When nothing here will impact you and you honestly seem to know little of what is going on. This should have been, from the start, resolved amongst those who run the game. We didn't invite the Ocarina of Time runners for a reason, we didn't invite the Ori runners for a reason, yet we have the cast and crew of a dozen games here...for what purpose? Do they bring wisdom beyond their years? Something we are lacking? No, just more noise.

Anti They are a combination of active runners and active GTA V viewers. A category that neither you, Joe or Ryedawg actually fit into. They, surprisingly, actually have more right to be here than any of you.

Gyoo You may have noted that of all the runners here, I was most excluded as an option for Ryedawg. Largely because, as I have noted previously, this is about his vindictive streak as opposed to actually wanting positive outcomes. Your judgement of his worth or place here appears to be based on a small snap shot of who he is, in this present moment, without a consideration of his history. I do not agree this is sufficient to judge the worth of a man.

It has only turned into politics (to some extent) because you have chosen the most divisive person who has ever existed in any GTA community to lead a board he has done nothing to support for two years. This change was also achieved by what can only be described as a stealth takeover. How was this not going to cause the outcry Ryedawg desired? Of the 7 billion people on this planet, I can honestly say there would have been less outcry with any other selection. This is why Ryedawg went to you in secret, he knew this. He is enjoying this as he always does when he causes trouble.

As I said before, the best solution is that neither I nor Ryedawg are mods and other runners are made mod. This would allow for at least some measure of justice to prevail and the boards would be accurate as Ryedawg pretends to want.

All I want to know is, why Ryedawg Gyoo? Of all the 7 billion people in this world, after all that you have heard, why do you want Ryedawg? What has he shown you in two days that makes you feel he is an indispensable commodity and that can allow you to ignore literally every reason why he shouldn't mod these boards?

Ryedawg keeps arguing I have made errors in runs. Show me one? He keeps saying the boards were messed up. Show me the runners complaints? "white knighting your favourite streamer" and the true Ryedawg appears! Took a day. I was not a supermod. I do not rock the boat. I was given mod to do one thing, check runs that I saw were not verified and give my opinion on rules changes. I have done both. If given supermod, I could actually have more leeway. The last time I changed something, Ryedawg cried to days dispite not running the game. Ryedawg has one advantage as a supermod, he doesn't have to deal with Ryedawg barraging anyone he disagrees with.

Here are things as they stand, Ryedawg claims his only desire is an accurate leaderboard. The bare minimum asked in response to the not discussed "demoding" and "moddings" is that the person responsible does not retain his mod status, that is Ryedawg.

If this is not about power and self-gratification, then Ryedawg will clearly be willing to submit to someone else who we all can agree is capable to be supermod. He will get what he wants, an accurate leaderboard. Those who disagree will get the minimum of that they want, Ryedawg not being mod. This is a fair compromise.

Is there a flaw in my reasoning?

"not welcome in GTAV streams" Not welcome in two GTA V streams. Joe, please. One was from a long time ago, one was as of yesterday. This is not all GTA V streams.

"Have the leaderboards improved? I would say so." I question your capacity to make such a judgement and the effect that any ruling has on you personally. I ask again, why are you still here? Who asked for any change that runs the game? Who has actively experienced practical benefits from any change bar Ryedawg?

"bully someone else whom is trying to help and assist the community" You are speaking about a person who went behind everyone's back and made himself mod, with no discussion or input from anyone. In light of the turmoil his actions have caused, he is unrepentant. He has harassed M_tt for the longest time and continues to go into streams where he is specifically banned and unwanted. You are then saying he is trying to help the 'community'. Who specifically? No one asked for him to mod. You don't get browny points if you walk over to a cripple, kick them out of their wheel chair, and carry them up the stairs. There was no consent, only hostile take over. You can not berate me for things (completely misrepresenting me) while ignoring the faults that have us here in the first place.

Very well Mizter, I stand corrected. ONE runner in the past year supports him. Mizter, you ASK for a trial to prove yourself. You do not take it and then seek to prove yourself. If I hack into the Ocarina of Time leaderboards, or lie my way there, I don't get to say "Gee, I think I have done a good job for the last 24 hours. Let me stay". It is bad faith. That the manner by which Ryedawg seized control with no discussion or input does not disturb you screams volumes about you personally. Do you believe this is the behaviour of a good mod? I put forth this whole situation is evidence that Ryedawg has "done something wrong". I can not sneak my way into mod status for leaderboards, change a few things and say "I AM THE BEST".

"I dont see what is wrong with watching..." streamers who have banned you which shows a desire to not have you interact in their streams. You care nothing for their wishes, even stalking them when shown you are not wanted. This is who you are Ryedawg.

"DatesL54 would take over for toriks..." As you would know if you actually knew anything about the runners or the game itself, Dates wants to run again and will acquire the hardware to do this. He also is still active in GTA V streams, unlike you unless you want to troll M_tt or others you feel have wronged you.

"If i didnt enjoy...." harassing m_tt. You are going places you are banned specifically to irritate runners.

" if and when i mess up" You have done nothing to deserve that opportunity. You do not stab everyone in the back as a resume' to show you are deserving of a crown. To continue the analogy, regicide is not an application.

"having less mods is better" Perhaps the people who run GTA V should have a say in who is mod, who is not a mod and how many mods there should be instead of you (again) deciding everything for everyone without any form of discussion. "I say who can be mod for I am Ryedawg".

Again Gyoo, why is Ryedawg fit to be mod? Who is he helping? What demand from runners prompted this change? Ryedawg appears to be mod...specifically to make Ryedawg happy and he isn't even a runner. Shouldn't the leaderboards exist for the benefit of the speedrunners themselves? Does Ryedawg get to audit every leaderboard and get you to make him supermod if he is not satisfied?

"Should note you changed this with out asking anyone DV" Your ignorance of the situation is breathtaking but more so your tendency to throw stones within your glass fortress my liege.

How is any solution where Ryedawg isn't a mod not a compromise? Make a neutral capable third party a moderator. The leaderboards will be maintained, as Ryedawg pretends to want, and those of us who know Ryedawg can sleep soundly. Ryedawg does not have any business being moderator. In the same way he has no business being the moderator of Ori, zelda or the magic school bus leaderboards. He is the only person who had a problem. No one else. These people here who are supporting him have not been here in two years or likely had to be informed there was even a leaderboard.

I am sure he has convinced you this is about the leaderboards, it is not. It is why he said if Toriks left as mod he would add no one else. It is about getting back at people. It is why he is lurking in my and M_tt's stream with popcorn and laughing. You don't know Ryedawg. http://imgur.com/a/OmudB Whatever you think Ryedawg can achieve, is he the best person to achieve it?

He is not swooping in and fixing all the problems in the complaint box. He stuffed the complaint box, gave it to you, and went about fixing his imagined problems once he got back at those he feels wronged him.

In the last hour or so since M_tt wrote his post above?

...and my stream Bosz? http://imgur.com/a/rIhVs I suppose he is savouring my suffering.

@M_tt As you say, Ryedawg still does lurk in your streams despite your banning him and wanting nothing to do with him. This is the Ryedawg we know. http://imgur.com/a/6h19K

I meant you have never run the game nor taken an active interest in its moderation. Why are you here? It is the same with each person who has spoken in Ryedawg's defence. Until it came time for Ryedawg to seize control, most here would have had to give throught as to what "GTA V" even stood for. Yet these people are deciding the fate of these boards and the running environment as a whole.

In ancient runs that existed prior to either I or Havii being mod. Do you believe all new mods should assume errors done by old mods and go back through each and every run? For what purpose? Who complained...oh right...just Ryedawg. Who doesn't run the game and left it for 2 years.

It is amazing that Ryedawg, and I guess now Cyoo, is willing to destroy the continued progress in this game specifically to maintain Ryedawg's power.

Perhaps had you known GTA V existed before this point Zachoholic you could have noted your concerns.

Zachoholic, which errors were brought to the attention of the mods that were not corrected in due time? The 0.5 second differences in 8 hour runs from years ago perhaps? The obsolete runs that ryedawg went through? The time errors brought forth were fixed until Ryedawg stabbed everyone in the back and put on a smile.

Ryedawg You have shown only current runs, not obsolete runs and you also didn't include individual levels. Again you exclude information to fit your narrative. Obviously the runs that stood the test of time are from non-active runners. Thus older mods are more present in the rankings. As was noted previously, it was not out of a lack of care or desire to verify runs. Runs were verified by Havii and no current runners complained. You took it upon yourself to complain on behalf of no one to seize power.

MToms127, find me a runner who complained. Even one. That you have found people who desire their own gratification and thus invent problems is not evidence of a lack of competency. In fact, the complete lack of complaints from anyone involved in GTA V demonstrates that a change of the guard was not necessary. That Ryedawg has found a bunch of unknowns, who know nothing about GTA V, to say "I agree" means absolutely nothing.

"ryedawg's usurping of the leaderboard is a bit sudden... I think he might be capable of maintaining leaderboards" That is absolutely irrelevant. You do not need to be a genius to correct times, you do however need to be trustworthy, respected by current runners and know enough about the game to settle rule disputes. These are the more important aspects of being a mod, they literally define how the game is run. These traits Ryedawg does not have. More importantly, being a mod is something earned through respect. It is not something 'usurped' when you throw a hissy fit about not getting your way. I can not disagree more that who leads doesn't matter if they can do the job, what we have built here should not be something so easily stolen by the power hungry. If he cared, he would have been here for the past 2 years. He has demonstrated that he can not maintain consideration for these boards by his incredibly long absence and complete disregard for the opinions of anyone who actually runs the game. How will rule disputes be solved now when Ryedawg feels any decision he makes can be made final without literally anyone being informed? He can not say he won't do this, we are living in that reality.

I say again, let Rye bring forth the GTA V runners who want him to lead. Let those who have done runs in the last 6 months vote on his competency. This would be the democratic thing to do, Rye won't allow this though. He has stolen power, why give it up?

Ryedawg, that you are playing nice short term to maintain power is not relevant. That you have cronies who run other games and care nothing for this board, is also irrelevant. That you specifically went to steal power, knowing the harm it would cause, shows that you care nothing for anyone else's well being. Actions speak louder than words. You can speak flowers for the next week, till the bigger mod goes away, but you will always have the knife you that you jammed into our sides behind your back waiting to strike again.

You speak of insults, you actions are an insult to literally all that we are and everything I personally have ever stood for. You could not insult me more. You disgust me as a human being, for both your past and present actions. I will not pretend otherwise to gain favour with a person I have never even met, even if you wish to continue to deceive to achieve such ends.

For those of us who care about it, it is. This may be a new concept to Ryedawg and his cronies.

Ryedawg, your position as moderator has caused a rift in this leaderboard that will likely remain. We know you Rye, even if Cyoo doesn't. I won't support you and those who support me won't support you. No runner here has shown you support unless you include the resigned indifference from Toriks.

Your position is a problem for the leaderboard and that you continue to want to hold onto it shows clearly that you care nothing for the leaderboard. If you cared, you would hand over your supermod. This is all the confirmation we need that you are still doing what you have always done, putting yourself ahead of literally everyone else. It doesn't matter who suffers as long as Ryedawg wins.

"Greeting Ryedawg here, " It has been what...two years?...since you have been around these forums. I am glad you remembered where they were.

"A. This is a mute [sic] point..." Except you also removed all current runners that were mod. If non-runners being a mod is a problem, which it is to some extent, making you a mod does not fix the problem. By making yourself a mod you are advocating that mods should have no knowledge or commitment to a game. You have on previous occasions complained about the people who are mod and cited their not running the game as a part reason for this criticism. When it comes to yourself however, you consider this a mute point. More hypocrisy Ryedawg.

"-Troll/shitposter A. i have always have not been afraid to express my self or be suppressed by society while online... " You have specifically gone out of your way to harass and cause trouble wherever you go. Causing harm and frustration. Not doing this isn't "society keeping you down", it is adhering to a basic understanding of decency that is required for people in positions of authority.

"-Change the rules to benefit him self A. If i were to change the rules to benefit my self...." Without any discussion, you just went behind everyone's back and made yourself supermod. When a change of rules was discussed, you mentioned your old "helicopter strat" that you loved. The reason we are here is because you are willing to change things without discussion. Regardless of the harm to the present runners, you were willing to advocate for rule changes in a game you don't even play to benefit how you USED to play. These are not the actions of a responsible moderator.

"-Begging for mod A. When speedrun.com launched no one wanted to take the responsibility of moderating the leader boards..." This has of course changed and has not been the case for a long time. You would have known this had you not crowned yourself king without any discussion with people who actually play the game. In your defence, the only runners you really know are me and Toriks. You can't discuss with people you don't know but your ignorance of the game and its runners are why we are here to begin with.

"- Toriks as mod / Ryedawg is a puppet master A. When asking toriks if he wanted to be a mod i made it very clear..." You made nothing clear to Toriks. You can watch the VoD of his stream when this takeover went down. Toriks had to have everything explained to him. He wanted to talk to the other mods, Zoton and Nord, whom he believed still held their positions. Toriks never wanted to be mod and Ryedawg used him to give himself credibility. That Cyoo believed Toriks had shown motivation shows even Cyoo was kept out of the loop. More dishonesty from Ryedawg. He further is willing to be the sole mod to consolidate his power now that he has given a token gesture at sharing the crown. This is almost unbelievable except we all know Ryedawg.

"-Sabotage of the previous mods [let the community self implode]" Ladies and gentlemen, our current supermod. Unless he can have power, he doesn't care.

"it puts a smile on my face to see such passion surrounding the boards" It puts a smile on your face to know the harm you have caused. Your troll glee is finally caused such calamity. You can sleep soundly knowing pain and suffering had been cause Rye, as you always do.

"Stay tuned for a brighter future and have no fear because if I step out of line" We had absolutely no fear of that with the previous administration, it in fact has not happened in the entire time the leaderboard has existed. If you have to continually cite the possibility of your going rogue, even you seem to recognise your instability as a person. Perhaps we should discuss your belief in the lizard people that control all of society to further gain a grasp on your current mental state?

You have also ignore large amounts of other posts. Gyoo can read these himself. Look at where we are now ladies and gentlemen, all this pain and frustration. All the cloak and dagger stabbing in the back. No one likes this situation...except Ryedawg. No regrets for the harm he has caused, just glee that he has struck down his foes and has gotten away with it. This is the Ryedawg we all know and have to deal with.

Matt

How do you tag someone? LUL

@Crook4Money Was I or Havii a mod at that point. I believe that was 8 months ago.

More importantly, I consider Toriks and I to be friends. I wouldn't want to be the guy saying "NO NO I WON BY 0.023!". Close runs are very annoying due to the inclusion of loading times. The overwhelming majority of the time loading times wouldn't matter but in this case it did. Without loading, one of us would have been a second or two ahead. Who won by a fraction of a hair wasn't necessarily showing the better runner because of this.

Trevor% is a miscellaneous category that two friends were running. We had the same time to a second for a short period, I wasn't going to complain and runs are timed to a second. It was a unique and humorous oddity. if anyone had a problem with this ruling it could have been taken up with the mods, which I don't believe it was.

Thank you for replying Gyoo and forgive the length of any responses I give here. This issues means a lot to me. I was posting a long message to explain the development and changes of different rules over the last few years that Rye may have mentioned (the little he knows of them), but perhaps that is unnecessary.

Your research may not have brought up all the much unfortunately. Most discussions these days occur on discord or, because there are so few major runners, between the runners themselves. Whatever amount of research you did or did not do, you are in no way at fault. The only one at fault is Ryedawg. Ryedawg has been, in zoton's words "begging" to be a mod for about a month. We didn't want him, we know who he is. Dissatisfied with rejection, he has spent the last month complaining about a game he does not even run and barraging people with invented or minor issues as if the mods were running a paedophilia ring and had to be stopped. He has barraged Zoton so many times, because he was the active supermod, it is understandable he wants out. To quote: [5:40 AM] zoton2: also I have considered making you [Darkviper88] a supermod and just leaving the position. It would mean ryedwag "wins" but TBH I'd rather let him feel like that instead of having to worry about this shit all the time (insert some quote about "idiots moaning about everything and people giving up is why trump won" or something). http://imgur.com/a/R2Wzg

Nothing developed beyond this because no runners complained about the way things were. This leaderboard is not incredibly active, it has only been with the growing popularity of me and Toriks that new runners have just recently started stepping into the game. The game was all but dead when I started two years ago, Ryedawg and others had left it. That Ryedawg wants to come back and now rule something that he did nothing to build is beyond insulting.

Nord and M_tt were not active mods. They were not removed because removing them did not provide any benefit (and I didn't have the ability to do it). An arduous task for no gain seemed pointless. Zoton spoke about asking for at least Nord to remove himself: "I would like to ask Nord if he could remove himself though because he hasn't been around gta5 for a long time and is clearly interested in other things now. And, unlike me, he doesn't get involved, doesn't talk with us and doesn't verify runs anymore" http://imgur.com/a/L7f4f Nothing came of it and no one has complained about either Nord or M_tt because they are not relevant.

I was not a supermod, I deferred to Zoton. Making changes here is dangerous when you have people from outside this speed game who feel they are entitled to decide what goes on within it. GTA V is small compared to the other GTAs and thus the space quickly gets filled with people who know little to nothing about it. As an example, we spent two days discussing on discord the validity of the 'ifruit app' (despite it being used for 11 months) and the 500k DLC (which has always been an unwritten rule): http://www.speedrun.com/gtav/thread/kd3g4). When I finally enacted the choice that people seemed to agree with (I had no idea making a new column was even possible), Ryedawg still threw a hissy fit because he disagreed. Searching for ifruit or 500k in the GTA V section will show most of this (Hopefully Rye hasn't changed what he at least said) https://discord.gg/A3dPscV

As for the verification of runs, there is not a single GTA V runner who had a problem with how things were. If you can find one for me, I would like to know who they brought complaints to. The only criticism I have for Havii as a mod, and Zoton said the same, was that he verifies the runs far faster than either of us could. I am lucky to catch one unverified. He seems to be on speedrun.com...a lot. Perhaps he shouldn't be a mod. With that being said, the only people who complained were non-runners who dug back to find ANY error in the history of this leaderboard. Runs that were done before I even knew you could speedrun were flung at me with a smug "SEE SEE!". I thought the submission of a mafia run in the classic % category was a joke (I obviously rejected it), I didn't suspect there was a plot underway. It worked however didn't it? Ryedawg got rid of those who would not accept him. Successful scheme id say...so who am I to criticise the methods?

The point is, I think it is clear that whatever Ryedawg has shown you is at best half truths. I am willing to write essays till my hands turn red in defence of the previous administration and against the stealth takeover of Ryedawg. I suspect Ryedawg may have quote minded some of my musings or arguments about "Is there a 'right' amount of accuracy or a 'correct' idea of how much effort is justified for what level of accuracy". I noted that Bosz interestingly cut off where I said that any errors that are found should be corrected, but arguing in good faith is not something Ryedawg's friends feel it necessary to do. I like to discuss these ideas but, despite whatever ideas I bat around, my methodology is sufficient for mod. I will defend this idea to the death. My passion for this speedgame and everything involved within it I find to be something that is not justifiably questionable. I am also passionate about discussing what beliefs are the foundation for norms in communities, guess that played right into Ryedawg's quote mining hands but then again he did bait the discussion.

If you agree that the leaderboards were mismanaged, I implore you to allow current runners to handle it. Allow me to be a supermod, as the previous supermod who rejected Ryedawg wanted, and allow me to pick some people who are willing to check runs who have an active interest and knowledge of the game. I know everyone, Ryedawg does not which is why I suspect he suggested MizterConfusing who hasn't done a run in two years for mod.

You may see this solution as self-serving, but I honestly believe it is what is best for the leaderboards and it would be a fulfilment of the old administration. However, I would be happy with any solution where at least Ryedawg was not a mod. He does not deserve what he stole, he should not lead what he did nothing to build. Coming back after two years to do the icing is NOT making a cake.

@Zachoholic The few 'false runs' that were submitted to make the current mods look bad were all caught. Perhaps Rye was planning his takeover early on? Ryedawg dug back to runs that were done prior to any of the current active mods even existing. He used runs from before I even started running (two years ago) to justify removing the current mod staff. The few runs he noted that were actually from recent years were off by at best a few seconds, most often one second. He made an application for mod, was rejected, and so he went around the current mods to give himself power. Classic Ryedawg, if he doesn't get his way he will break the rules and ignore everyone to do it.

Is there a single mod, or runner within the last year, who knew this was going to occur? He is currently being active as a mod in order to secure his power, past experience shows this will not last. This experience also shows that he will not be a mod interested in the views of other runners and his word will be final. If greater scrutiny was needed, I am at a loss to find even one complaint from a current runner, then a word from Gyoo would have been sufficient. Ryedawg didn't take this path because its about his own gratification, not the leaderboards.

'ToriksLV who showed me [his] motivation'

I had to explain the situation to Toriks. He seemed to believe the other mods would still be here, and thus we could discuss it with them. Ryedawg seems to have spoken in half truths, or outright lies.

Was written on a phone, I was being flippant and making a joke that it a meme category. You may note the other surrounding text where I advocated that any inaccuracies with times, when found, should be corrected. Nice quote mine champ. Despite your dishonesty, I am happy you have taken an interest in GTA V speedrunning. Perhaps you plan to do a run? I know most of the recent runners are viewers of mine, have you been to a GTA V speedrun stream recently?