Thank you.

I will also just note that in checking who is and is not a runner, the most popular category 'Beat the Jewel Store Job' is a miscellaneous category.

It would show that I do not desire sole power and will give those who dislike me the confidence that I will not have it. I could say "I will add them immediately" until I am blue in the face, some won't be convinced. Mainly non-runners..but the point remains.

Can I add a fourth option for me, Toriks and Dates to be supermod? We three kept this game alive when no one cared enough for it.

Runners as in, submitted to the GTA V leaderboards in the last year?

ROMaster2 "Ryedawg's biggest concern was the accuracy of the times on the leaderboard" It took him two years to be concerned about literally anything to do with the game. When he notified the mods on this forum of ancient time inaccuracies, they were fixed on the same day. It even appears these times were brought forward as a "mod application" showing his end goal was simply to be moderator of these boards. He was rejected for this distinction and he made no further direct complaints. In this discussion any attempt at compromise where accuracy would be maintained, but he would not be mod, were simply rejected by Ryedawg. Accuracy was not his main concern or he would have been more amenable to these solutions.

"If the times are inaccurate, you KNOW they're inaccurate, and people have issues with that, the times need to be corrected" I mirrored your views in the exact same discord that quote is taken from. My point was that as long as the video exists, accuracy can always be maintained and corrected in time whenever errors are made. In a game this long, absolute accuracy simply can not be achieved because there are literally not enough hours in the day to watch every second of every run with the level of focus necessary to catch any possible breach. I had to reiterate this, about 7 times, in that discussion. For the 10th time, I never advocated for known errors to remain! This is one of the many lies that Ryedawg seemed to have told to gain his position.

"especially if the current moderators are apathetic to doing so" They were not notified. I wasn't even informed beyond the first forum post that there were problems. Ryedawg liked complaining in a general fashion on the GTA discord (which is not the place most discussion about the run is had) but he didn't direct any complaints to me, specific or otherwise. If I understand it correctly, he developed problems, made no attempt to have them corrected (real or otherwise), and had the mods removed because they were not corrected.

"[pointing how he hasn't ran in a while] The former doesn't disqualify someone from being an effective moderator" How can a person be able to render judgement on both rule changes and the development of new runs without having sufficient knowledge of the game? He was never a dedicated runner and has always been apathetic towards the game. Gyoo stepped in to make it so a person the runners did not want to lead must be included in all discussions revolving around the game. Who is he to deserve equal voice in how this game is run? If it were not for your small change here, Ryedawg would have been the first and last word for how this game is run. How can knowledge of the game and run NOT be required to have that role?

"[Troll] the latter can't be used without at least some evidence" I don't think there is a single person here, who has been in the GTA community for a significant amount of time, that does not know Ryedawg is a troll. He profile is animated Danny Devito Doritoes ffs, its practically a calling card. No one here has denied this, we simply disagree how relevant it is. Are you asking that we prove Ryedawg is a troll in order for him to no longer be mod?

"Shoutouts to ROMaster2 for (hopefully) solving this" How is this a solution? What changed exactly? Ryedawg did wrong, Gyoo mishandled the situation as ROMaster notes, and yet nothing was reversed. No debate was had, no vote, no discussion, no democracy. Ryedawg cheated his way onto the leaderboards by both misrepresenting Torik's motivation, lying about about me personally about a dozen times, and claiming overall things about this board that were simply untrue. Justice has not prevailed here. There were dozens of solutions that were far better than "Keep Ryedawg in the exact same position he was wrongly given before". At least make him a mod under Toriks for pete's sake.

"I'm inclined to give Ryedawg a chance: he's already done the work he wanted done" I ask again. If the changes were exclusively what he wanted, what has he done to be deserving of a chance? More over, to be elevated above literally everyone involved in this speed game bar Toriks? That is a major distinction given to a person for a day's work that could have been achieved by anyone who wanted that ranking. As note previously, had you written "We will give supermod if someone watches the start and ends of the run videos currently on the site", I suspect you would have found more supermods. I wasn't given that offer and I would have taken it. I was brought on for a specific purpose, I was then removed from that role for not doing things I was never asked to do. I was not directly notified of any additional responsibilities I was to take up. I was not consulted on any changes. How is this just?

I agree with your initial statement: "That's for the runners to decide" I think this is ALL for the runners to decide. Why has the decision been taken out of our hands? It cannot be suggested we were unable to reach a conclusion on our own because that opportunity was never given.

"Ryedawg must have realized things were not moving along" So he broke the rules? He took it upon himself to not contact any mods for any complaints and simply break the rules. Again, this isn't fucking up? You have a very high standard for fucking up.

"that supported ryedawg..." That is not what I said. I said that people who had no interest in GTA V until this went down shouldn't be here. Those who don't view it, run it or care about it. People who are not affected...at all. Stakeholders are those usually involved in what is being spoken about.

"Yes. He hasn't been on bad behavior...." We just finished discussing how he violated the rules and it hasn't even been two days! He spent two years absent and he came back and immediately violated the rules on a level never seen before.

"If he does I trust Gyoo enough to know that he will take appropriate action" Do you know Gyoo personally? How did you develop this trust?

I am sure my jabs have put people into hospital as well agjents. I hope you extend your well wishes towards them as well. After all, someone seemed to suggest everything was getting really savage in here...

Zachoholic, are you advocating for the idea that major changes to a leaderboard should not require any debate or discussion? If not, why is this not something Ryedawg has done wrong?

I do believe child rapists should be sequestered and removed from positions of authority or distinction, yes Gyoo. I think the action of child rape, perhaps one of the worst things a person can do, should be grounds to bar a person from a leaderboard. I think child rape, perhaps is enough to show a person should not be in charge of other people or influence their lives. That may seem a really out there idea to you...but I don't think it should be.

But the post you liked didn't say may? It said...an actual child rapist?

"No it hasn't." Oh, there was a discussion where new mods were chosen? I must have missed it. We have a rule, no major changes without discussion. Rye's first move was to violate that rule.

"I've spent a lot of time in Toriks' stream..." I didn't say all active viewers supported me.

"ryedawg hasn't attacked other people in this thread" He called people white knights and went behind everyon's backs and crowd himself mod. He also has no reason to be angry and he needs to be on his best behaviour for Gyoo. He won, why would he allow his mask to slip now?

@agjents "Some were fixed" Which were not fixed? I have one forum post, all those times were fixed. They were from runs that were largely ancient, some even done by mods who are no longer here.

"difference between running and watching runs" Your objection was a difference of "time". I am not aware of anyone that believes doing a run everyday is required.

"The only...." I believe that no active runner by Mizter (if you can call him active) believes Ryedawg should be supermod (certainly not the sole supermod)? Am I wrong in this? No suggestion of what to do involved keeping that the case. Literally ever runner (bar Mizter) has given suggestions that involve a change of things. This seems to suggest a lack of acceptance of things as they are.

@agjents "I still don't get the argument of not currently being an active runner of the game affecting his abilities to be a mod." Ask Ryedawg why he complained Zoton had this attribute. There are good reasons but he may have forgotten them when he realised they also applied to him now...

"Also not everyone has free time to do a 7 hour run each day" Did you miss Ryedawg saying he had the time to watch 16 hours of GTA V everyday? It was on the last page.

"yet Rye has fixed the LBs that active runners who were mods couldn't even do. " He did not do this. All complaints of time inaccuracies were fixed by the old mods. For example: http://www.speedrun.com/gtav/thread/v5qwo He did not mention any further grievances, bar general "not tidy" complaints as far as I know. If inaccuracies were mentioned, or became relevant, they would have been fixed. "Couldn't do"...you are saying the old mods couldn't open a web browser...or...?

"Just give him time, if he fucks up as being a mod" Once more, he has just gone behind every runners back and made himself mod. That is known as "fucking up". Again, what has Ryedawg done that should give him the chance? What respect has he shown anyone? The whole mess started due to the greatest disrespect a person can show another.

@Zachoholic

"darkviper88 HAS THIS HAPPENED YET" He literally just took control of a leaderboard without telling anyone. So, yes?

"You haven't given him any chances" I once met a man who broke into my house and asked to clean it. He made it in after all, should I have given him a chance? Personally I think the breaking into the house was justification enough to object to his presence.

"Nothing you've said here has shown that ryedawg will be a bad mod in any sense." We are at 6 pages and counting of the greatest disagreement in recent memory, started by Ryedawg because he wanted mod so much he took it without anyone even hearing a whisper.

" it seems to have devolved into attacks on who "is part of the game"" Ryedawg spent a long time complaining Zoton doesn't run the game nor is he active enough. I agree, people like this probably shouldn't be mod. Perhaps I am simply defending what Ryedawg believed before disregarding these views benefited him.

"Bosz said should be enforced for the people that support you as well" You will note that the people who support me are either: Active viewers of GTA V, have run the game themselves or have dedicated time to routing the game. None of you fit any of these distinctions.

" DV deserves mod back after this mess" ..but the one who..started this mess...should keep his mod? The double standards never end.

Seriously? http://imgur.com/a/2NNP1

Did Gyoo seriously like a post to support the idea that being a child rapist is not sufficient reason for a person not to moderate a leaderboard? Holy shit we are screwed. If child rape wouldn't be enough to condemn Ryedawg, I can see why his past and present wrongdoings seem like nothing to most of you. Is this the official position of speedrun.com? Perhaps this post will make things worse, but with such a mindset, how can a good resolution be reached? So desperate are people to vindicate Ryedawg from his current and past transgressions that even child rape will be accepted as passable to make him look better by comparison. Incredible. Can we get...a second opinion on this one? Preferably one where if we find out a mod is a child rapist we can remove them...

"all I've seen DarkViper do was defend the inaccuracies that are easily correctable..." Which run specifically was not corrected? And don't point to my meme with golf %, I wasn't at a PC. I defended the philosophical idea that attempting to achieve absolute accuracy was both a foolish waste of time, as it is not achievable, and even if it were it provides no practical benefit. I stand by that belief. Point me to where a time inaccuracy was shown to me and I said "I will not change this, let inaccuracies in times that are shown to me stay as they are". Good luck.

"with other mods that simply verified runs without looking at them" MOD, if you mean Havii. I am not aware he does not look at ANY runs, I was also not aware of any runners complaining. Pass these onto me would you? I am surprised they got delivered to you by mistake. So, I guess you suggest Havii should be removed? Great let us just discuss this..whoops. We can't. Your grievances with the other mods...were...what again? We can contact them and get your complaints if you wish.

"people being unhappy" Again, no one contacted me. Or Havii or Zoton (to my knowledge). Guess not too unhappy? I have an email, I have a discord, I stream daily. How unhappy could you be if I literally have heard nothing directly?

"action needed to happen" You mean action needed to be discussed surely? On the forum, with the runners? Let us not advocate for authoritarianism too quickly for expediencies sake...

"people weee unhappy" I received no messages. Why?

"Rye can be summed up...." I assumed you missed my dozen essays? You are misusing the word "literal".

"insults and personal attacks have no place on this forum" I agree, Ryedawg claiming people were white knighting and his insulting the idea of democracy by placing himself in power to appease himself was wrong. Find me public comment, or even private maybe, prior to this event where I disrespect or insulted Ryedawg. You won't find it. His actions justify my change of tune, as I do not speak untruth.

What has been shown clearly in this thread is the extent Ryedawg will lie:

• He continues to claim he brought me problems that were not fixed, he did not.
• He continues to claim I should have made changes, despite that I had no authority to make these changes and he did not ask me to make any.
• He continues to claim I did not watch runs, with no proof. It is especially laughable because I clearly watch more runs than anyone. The start of the 500k rules discussion was because I caught it in a run ffs.
• He continues to claim I only verified my own runs, even when given an imgur of other runs I checked and even knowing of some runs I rejected.
• He claimed I made rule changes without discussion, yet these were discussed for days on the discord and even 11 months ago on twitter and the forums.

I stream literally everyday, streaming GTA V. I haven't had Ryedawg speak to me outside of asking for help for the GTA Marathon and it clearly isn't an issue of conflicting times. I check my email hourly when not streaming, I always hear prompts on discord. Where are the conversations we had where he told me of his issues? Nowhere of course, they were fabrications like most of what Rye has said. He put forwards ancient times that were slightly incorrect that were done by older mods, these were corrected. I am at a loss to find what else he brought forward and who he brought it to.

He has claimed, constantly, that no changes should be made without discussion. He even argued some of the mods should be removed due to inactivity and not running the game. He has further asked what he has done wrong as a mod. Let Ryedawg's own standard judge him. He meets all the criteria for what he believes a bad mod is and thus he does not meet his own standard for what a mod should be.

English Ryedawg. English.

"Did you fix the problem no you instead would rather spend 2 days writing on a fourm complaining that you lost mod" This implies I did one INSTEAD of the other. Meaning I had the ability to do both which I clearly did not have.

Additionally, as I have noted before, no requests came from you to me Ryedawg. I heard of them second or even third hand. The one's I heard about, your first times, were corrected. Again, even though they were done long before I was a mod or were within a second of difference.

As has been shown to you Ryedawg, this is a lie. Furthermore, as a non-runner, do you believe that non-runners should be allowed to request changes on leaderboards that MUST be changed? Again, who gave you this authority? Authority to make demands and then make changes without discussion if they were not met? You submitted times that were wrong, they were corrected even when they were ancient or within a second. This was done.

Cheese himself linked you his runs I verified ffs.

Ryedawg "how is it not un fathomable to believe that i would watch 16 hours of GTAV a day" Different time zones. Two years of inactivity. A complete inability to show patience. Signs of mental instability. The idea that you could watch literally 16 hours of GTA V everyday for the rest of your life, including for runners you don't even know exist...is literally impossible.

"This just still confirms the fact that you just hit verified with out watching any of the runs" Show me one I verified without watching. Demonstrate this claim? Verification does not imply pressing a button Ryedawg. You lie over and over...

"well trusted members..." By who! Who declared their opinion matters above even that of those who run the game? Who gave you the authority to dictate how things should be while hypocritically changing everything without discussion?

"Did you fix the problem no you instead would rather spend 2 days writing on a fourm complaining that you lost mod" Ryedawg...as I have not been mod for two days I literally could not fix any problem. It would be literally impossible.

Let us analyse this for a moment. "I do believe i am the only one who can keep the boards tidy" No one said they were untidy bar you and your cronies.

"previous mods have not been able to keep the boards neat and tidy" My duties were to verify runs that I saw unverified and to weigh in on rule changes. I was not a supermod, I did both of these duties and you have presented no evidence I did not do this.

"i can GUARANTEE that no previous mod would of went this far..." Ryedawg. You literally stalked a streamer who told you to leave them alone. You stalked them and happened to see an error in a run. You do not watch every run, that would be impossible. You can not claim you will stalk us all to watch all our runs, that would require on some days literally 16 hours of watching GTA V! I have watched more runs than anyone here. I caught Toriks using the 500k, did I not Rye?

You also did not prove I only verified my runs. You didn't realise that obsolete runs don't show up. I have rejected, and verified, many runs including many from the individual levels. Who rejected kdz mafia 2 run? I even wrote a funny comment...oops Rye...oops. Again, I only verified those runs that were available when I checked. This was what I was MODDED TO DO. Nothing more. Now that I could have more responsibility, I am willing take it. I was not offered it because you stole it for yourself without discussing it with anyone. You have constantly claimed things I did not do and laid at my feet imagined errors to justify your irrationality. This is not mod behaviour. I will say here and now I will not take additional power, or remove it from others, without discussion. This is not something Ryedawg can claim and thus he is not fit to mod.

Being a mod is MORE than checking times Ryedawg. It is, in part, keeping this leaderboard growing and with active runners. You have not done this, ever. You in fact left the board to die for two years.

"As long as the leaderboards are kept tidy and precise i don't care who moderates" If Ryedawg agreed with this statement he would step down as mod and avoid trouble, unless he honestly believes he is the only person living you can moderate a board. I certainly do not agree with it. People who lie and cheat their way into power should not be tolerated. If a person stuffs a ballet box and does a good first day, they should still be removed. This is about principle as well as practical outcome. Ryedawg can't be trusted, this situation proves that.

If it was all about accuracy, he would step down and vote for those he believes would achieve the accuracy he desires. It is not about that though.