Delaware, USAYou don't have to do it, but there are no separate categories for no oob etc. But doing that is by no means required to submit your run.
Just keep in mind that a bunch of the "skips" we do are built into the levels, like m2, m8, and m12, for example, and are 100% dev intended (there is even a red orb bonus for completing m12 the way we do), so I'd definitely recommend at least learning those. M3 and M9 are kind of the exceptions in that regard.
Before we continue I'd like to correct some information and say that breakers in NG are not RNG. Breakers only become RNG in NG+. Thanks.
So now that DMC5 has been upon us for 5 months now and categories have been explored a bit, I think it's time to look at expanding the boards somewhat and have some discussion regarding that.
I'll begin this discussion by saying that we're looking for interesting and unique categories, not arbitrary ones. It will be on you as runners to route and run categories you think deserve the attention. We love having more runners obviously, but we don't want redundant/boring categories simply for the sake of being inclusive. As an example of redundancy, look at the NG+ categories in dmc2, where all difficulties are now under the same board because of basically no difference between the categories.
The following are what's currently on the table to be in the main board:
-Heaven or Hell difficulty -All Orbs + Secret Missions category
As for Super Costumes and something like Faustless NG+ or Restricted NG+, I know people have asked for these before. And trust me, I feel your pain on NG+ Faust invalidating a lot of Dante's tools (This was a big part of me moving to NG).
Before I get into Faust more though, this is what I'll say as far as Super Costumes: I'm sure they're fun casually, but when the game came out we wanted to encourage people to learn the game and characters, so we sidelined these costumes. We can definitely discuss having them for a miscellaneous category, however. I'm personally not opposed to that whatsoever.
As far as Faust goes, we can go about that multiple ways, but it's really a matter of whether or not we want a universal solution or solutions tailored to PC or Console each. How we solve that, I'd like to leave in the hands of the community to discuss. I have my own ideas, but I want to hear what everyone else is thinking first.
As a last note, if you have ideas for another category that could prove interesting (maybe something like RE4's No Merchant?), please bring it forward. As a reminder, if you want a category to be considered, you have to run it, record it, and show that it can be interesting enough to be maintained on the leaderboard.
Like Loner said, if you're not actually gonna read what I've said, and instead accuse loner and I of wanting to have hardware advantage (even though you're for RTA which has inherent hardware advantage), then I don't know what to tell you. I haven't even finished a run, and Loner drops to 4th on a combined board. His time is also 4m better than the ps4 time below him. He has literally nothing to gain from bringing this up (nor do I) especially considering his hardware.
"And how does a PC load like a PS4?"
Because his loads on his laptop aren't as good as other computers, that's how. Look at his RTA vs IGT discrepancy which is almost a full minute slower than other PC times and and it's even behind some PS4 times.
Edit: I'm not gonna discuss this further btw. I think I've made my points well enough for mods to come to an informed decision. I'll run the game regardless.
Then you're not understanding the point of my post. I'm acknowledging that there's a difference and PC will have an advantage. But what I'm also saying is that in the end there is still plenty of competition to be had despite this, similar to Devil May Cry's leaderboards, where 3 of the top 10 (and 1 of the top 3) times are consoles times, because again, the difference isn't even to make this wholly pay2win. If you want an example of a game where that's truly the case and separating was mandatory, look at Devil May Cry 5.
If we're looking at ultimate. this is what the board would look like with a merged leaderboard.
With the exception of you vs. Cool, there's no one on this board that wouldn't "deserve" to be in the spot they're at. Sure you can look at Rayden and say, "Well a 3rd place time on console is a 9th place time here!" but then you look at the difference between him and the next PS4 guy (Cool) and their IGT difference is 4m, so it makes sense. Let's also look at IGT vs RTA discrepancies across the board.
PS4 Yori - 4m42s PC Morpha - 4m24s PS4 Cool - 4m39s PC Jadu - 4m45s PC Lexo - 4m29s PC Toast - 4m39s PC Spoopy - 4m17s PC Sleep - 4m16s PS4 Rayden - 5m2s PS4 Hell - 5m1s PS4 Rio - 4m31s PS4 Jerf - 5m17s
Then look at the WRs for Normal PC vs. Normal PS4
PC Loner - 5m17s PS4 hinge - 4m4s
If you're going to argue about advantages, then your argument has to include us having to accept ties because RTA has clear hardware differences in it, even if it's just by seconds. Some PCs even have advantages over other PCs. Loner's PC is running the game on the level of a PS4, so it isn't fair to him to combine boards, but he's the one suggesting it because the game goes by IGT. There will always be hardware advantages involved in running. Has anyone ran this game on a PS4 Pro yet with SSD to see how much faster the RTA is there (I don't see the option for PS4 Pro as opposed to PS4 in the submission variables)? Because if so then should PS4 Pro have its own boards? And yet, we acknowledge that Switch is just out of the running for being competitive as opposed to the other consoles. Why are we not advocating for Switch separate boards? Obviously because that's pointless even though it's technically "fair".
Long story short, It's not like you're saving literal minutes RTA/IGT just by playing the game on PC, you have to have good hardware too (and even then it's just seconds). Same goes with any console (and again, no one is advocating for Switch to have its own boards so unless we do that the idea of separation doesn't hold up). IGT primary, either just accept the ties at high level or tack on RTA (which is inherently disadvantageous) to break ties. It's not that difficult to figure out.
IGT typically isn't enough of a difference on PC vs. Console to make it a pay-to-win situation, especially with older games like this one. We had the discussion on DMC1 a while back of whether or not we should separate, and the consensus was basically no because of the following criteria:
-the most time to be saved on PC vs. Console was only seconds difference, not enough for a wholly pay2win situation -it doesn't take a supercomputer to run the game -the modern versions of the game go for reasonable prices
Pretty much the case with this game too. If we're gonna look at the boards as an indication of how little hardware makes a difference, both the Normal and Ultimate WRs for PC are slower than their console counterparts. This includes RTA.
@Yudhveer no one cares about having WR except you. Otherwise, you would change the video titles of your runs after you lose WR (which you didn't do for Lady/Trish after I beat you OR any of your Nero/Dante videos after they were proven illegitimate). Don't play these stupid games, dude. Cheaters don't get slack, cheaters get removed. That's just how it is.
No one cared about HoH at the start and we didn't want to add a bunch of categories that only one or two people would run anyway (and like Meka said, no one really runs HoH seriously-- they just do a run and then leave it and the cata never really gets optimized). Probably shouldn't have even included Son of Sparda, honestly. The main categories (Human, Devil Hunter, Bloody Palace) don't get a lot of traffic as is, so imo there's really not a reason to add in extra categories like HoH (we probably shouldn't have even added SoS or DMD until later, realistically). I could say more but that's about the gist of it.
You're banned, yudhveer. I talked with every other mod before you ever submitted a run and we all agreed to ban you based on your history of cheating. No second chances, nothing. Mr. Snawk cheated recently in DMC1 and he was banned as well. And like i said in my rejection, even if you weren't banned, we're not going to rank runs by LRT that don't have the enforced autosplitter with the load remover. It's in the rules, which you have a questionable history of following. Goodbye, don't post anymore threads. Locked; end of discussion.
Sounds good, man. If I can't get an optimal early game going in the couple attempts, I'll revert to those strats. I'm enjoying the run tbh, I just need to practice more haha. Appreciate the response!
Have learned the route for Normal and been trying to get a complete run off the ground but my soul count keeps going awry early game, mostly at axe demon after going back up the rope ladder. What are the common backup strats if you screw up the early game? I'd also like to submit this game to marathons in the future every now and again once I get more comfortable with it, so knowing this would be very helpful. Didn't look into Bowie's 2017 run (yet), but I assume that run was pretty safe?
So Devil May Cry 5 has been out for a couple months and it's pretty clear to everyone that's running the game + some outside of it that with pure RTA the game suffers from pay-to-win issues with a lot of load screens and cutscenes that (I assume) mask some other load screens and are not immediately skippable. The end goal for the game is to have LRT be the main timing method.
I'm making this post because we've been dealing with this issue for a while and have had multiple people working on figuring out a load remover to no avail. If there's anyone interested in helping, please respond here and/or message me on discord. It would be greatly appreciated.
It stated in the rules for Hard and DMD that you were supposed to use a completed save file. I agree, it was confusing at first glance, and I understand the frustration since you did do a 3h run. But it was in the rules and the other run videos show people using completed save files. Hopefully the way I have rearranged the boards will help to alleviate any further confusion like this.
