New York, USAI suggested this game to a friend and he started playing it the other day. He immediately selected Hard mode right out of the gate, despite my objections. I told him Easy would be better to learn on because of how much more ammo and health you get to pick up but he told me that he refuses to play on anything but the hardest difficulty because he wants to test his skill.
The idea that the addition of an Easy leaderboard will somehow taint the community and cause them all to forget about Normal and Hard is silly. People are individuals and they all have their own motivations for playing these games. Not everyone will think similarly regarding difficulties and the best way to avoid discriminating against any of them is to make them all feel welcome by giving everybody a chance to play and track their times.
With that having been said, I thank all of you who have come into this with an open mind. Despite your own personal preferences against playing Easy, you've supported me in choosing my own path and that says a lot about your character. You just as easily could have told me to heck off and kept RE0 from growing but instead, you welcome me. Because of this, you can expect me to be that much more enthusiastic about learning the game and about convincing other people to do the same.
Now, I intend to start a run of RE0 on Easy within the next half hour or so. I'll be using Anderson's recommendation for RTA timing on this particular attempt, at least until we all decide on something else. I love starting RTA on selection of difficulty and I don't mind ending it on credits skip so I'm good to go. I hope you'll all stop by my stream and help me out a bit. IDK if anyone's awake but if so, come hang out and let's be friends.
I'd like to see both RTA and IGT tracked on this site wherever possible. Unfortunately since I've been playing Easy on a Gamecube, my IGT options are limited for this particular game.
My thoughts were that RTA timing could begin on selection of difficulty since that's what launches you into the game. Once you press that button, there's no going back. As far as an end point for RTA timing, I was thinking maybe once the escape timer has stopped during the final fight with Queen Leech since that signifies the end of the fight and the game. Alternatively, maybe when the battle music ends after the big door opens; that might be another viable end point. I'm less a fan of using the credit skip as a stop point for RTA' the former two options seem more personally appealing to me.
I know figuring out rules for timing can be difficult with some games and not everyone will want to go to the trouble. Still, I think it's something to consider; it's possible that having clearly defined rules for both IGT and RTA could lead to more people being willing to attempt runs of this game. That'd be fun.
You're saying you won't make a board for me to store Easy runs on unless I get a certain PB? That doesn't sound fun. What kind of PB are you looking for? I only just started playing the game and I've only done two runs; I have no idea how long it might take to get really good at this.
I'm actually not sure if you get a IGT screen at the end of the game for Easy. In all of the runs I've done, I haven't been shown one. After the save screen, I'm taken back to the main menu of the game. Maybe I need to beat the game quickly for it to appear or maybe Easy just doesn't warrant its own IGT counter; I'm not sure. If anyone else here wants to give it a try, feel free.
Here's an Easy run that I did a few minutes ago -
It's pretty slow. I need to watch someone else's run and figure out where to save time aside from just knowing the layout of the rooms and where I'm going. Maybe I can learn something and get a PB in my next run.
Give it time and someone will eventually do an Easy run that maybe ends up being faster than the Normal WR. Easiest way to encourage that to happen is make a board now and let my shit run stay up there in 1st place. Eventually someone's going to see it and be disgusted by it and set out to beat it.
For me, the sense in having an Easy category is just that I'm currently playing on Easy. It doesn't occur to me that I should compare my Easy runs with someone else's Normal or Hard runs because it's a different difficulty and thus a different experience. If you're comfortable with Easy and Normal runs being on the same board, I can be ok with it. I don't personally think intermingling difficulties on one board is the way to go but I won't complain if the end result is that I have somewhere to submit a run. Would you be alright with renaming the current Normal board to "Easy/Normal" and then having me submit my run there instead of making a brand new board? As far as I know, I'm the only one asking for the ability to submit Easy runs at the moment. I wouldn't complain about having a board all to myself but maybe it's not even necessary.
You wouldn't feel weird about having Normal runs on an Easy board? I think I would. Why do you think it might bother you to see an Easy run that's slower than other Normal runs? I wouldn't normally think to compare the two. Are there few differences between the difficulties? I'm not familiar enough with them yet to know.
I'd be willing to do a run for the Easy board right now. I thought I had one ready to go when I wrote my previous message but my OBS hecked up halfway through and split the VOD's in two. RIP me.
I'd like to see a board added that I can submit Easy runs to. I just started playing the game and I'm hoping to learn on Easy before I work up the nerve to try Normal or Hard. While I'm doing that, I'd still like to submit runs on here and use this site to track them. Hook me up?
http://www.strawpoll.me/13714357 - Here's a poll for us to use as a way to determine what kind of demand there is for classic Mega Man leaderboards on Speedrun.com. Maybe if enough of us use this to show we really want it, we'll convince someone to do something about it. That seems like a better option than waiting around for API synchronization 'cause I think we all know that's not happening.
I wouldn't be opposed to seeing a glitchless category if you guys can decide what that would entail.
SR.com's About section says "We welcome all speedrunners to join us in helping this site grow to become the one-stop shop for speedrunning leaderboards." If you want to be the one-stop shop, you're going to have to keep these VODs up 'cause otherwise we'll need to stop somewhere else.
@HowDenKing SR.com is a sect who will do terrible things to you if you don't agree. Look how I was treated over X3 and Lament. Smear campaign for days.
Edit: Speaking of X3, you might ask some of those guys how they feel. The majority of them removed their top times from the leaderboards during my stint as moderator; a solid seven or eight out of fifty.
Still no reply. I guess he doesn't check those Twitch messages either. RIP.
I'm curious to hear if anyone's heard a decent reason for removing a run in the first place. Most of my experiences have been people not wanting their runs to be on a board simply because they either don't like the moderator or they don't like the site. Not super solid IMO.
@kirkq I think it depends on what you want this site to be. What exactly is your goal and the goal of any other mods of this site in regards to what you're trying to build?
If the goal of Speedrun.com is to be the #1 official site for tracking WR's and top times in every game that anyone might possibly want to speedrun, I think you need to list everything and not really take into account what the runners think about it. If a runner gets WR and doesn't want his VOD to be seen, he shouldn't upload it anywhere in the first place. Otherwise he's asking for it to be acknowledged by the world and they're never going to want to let go of it. A site like this is an encyclopedia of knowledge, a historical record. It's important and must be preserved without bias for future generations of runners to use, look at, learn from, etc.
On the other hand, if the goal of the site mods here is to make Speedrun.com a flavor-of-the-month speedrun site that isn't to be taken seriously and doesn't have a long-term plan for its future, maybe you'd consider this to be more of a Myspace for speedrunners than a WR/PB tracker; everyone gets their own profile and you can dress it up real nice with wallpapers and custom icons, you only need to upload runs of games you want people to know you play, you can link to all your social media sites and no one will make you do anything you don't want to do, then you're 100% free and clear to let all of us decide how we want the site to look. There's room on the internet for a site like that. People love Myspace.
Personally, I'm here for accurate leaderboards and the convenience of having all of my runs in one place. I am a speedrunner. I came to Speedrun.com because I thought it would fulfill my speedrun needs, as the name suggests. Quite a few of the other people on this site likely share that sentiment. Keep in mind that during the X3 drama, one gripe that a lot of the X3 runners had was that this site was not as accurate as the MMLB.net site, so clearly it would irk them to see that these boards might not have all the runs listed. Of course with that having been said, those same people complaining about a lack of accuracy here were the ones keeping their runs off this site so as to enable themselves to complain, so I'm not really sure what that says.
I vote in favor of SR.com being an official WR/PB tracker with priority on historical records and little to no regards for whether or not we as runners complain later that we don't want our times listed. I think all runs should be submitted by the runner unless you have permission by said runner, I believe that permission should be in writing and it should be screenshotted and posted in the game's forum for all to see. I believe once that permission is given, the runner should accept that his run is entered into the database and that ought to be the end of it.
I reserve the right to change my mind or have it changed for me via open discussion at a later date, but as of now, I'm saying that this site needs to be legit. It's got too much potential to end up wasting it on giving in to the demands of silly salty people.
GV-USB2 capture card from Japan cost me $40. You can definitely whore yourself out on stream to get donations for that. Tell people you'll play anything for a dollar. Let the requests come in, let the money flow in. Where there's a will, there's a way.
Is he doing it as part of the Triple M or is he doing it for some other reason?
