Dear KingCoolgadgets,
About what’s intended by developers and what’s not... How do you know? The Bowser jump in the end, let's start there. Ok, certainly not a glitch, but that’s besides the point. How do you know the developers didn’t mean that to be possible? Any clever guy bored out of his mind could stumble upon 8-BC and think "hmm, how about I jump over them?" and actually do it, albeit it'd take many tries. And death warps too, how would you know? A really rash guy who knows his way through the level can go and say "alright, I don’t wanna wait for autoscroller so I’ll take a death" and skip boring parts. Mind you that two of these things I just mentioned doesn’t necessarily take a coding genius to discover, nor does it take intensive experimentation. Hell, anyone that doesn’t even speedrun this game could discover them individually. Bowser Jr. quick-kill? I guess that’s your strongest point. Surely the developers expected you to knock him out with a shell and stomp him. RNG manipulation is hardly a valid argument, since no one has figured out a 100% accurate RNG for any% yet, and people playing on OG wouldn’t even attempt it anyway.
What I’d like you to understand is that I’m not saying these things to demean you; the semantics of the words "glitch" "exploit" etc., are very vague even to this day, and making a "glitchless" category as you mentioned causes headaches in that what’s a glitch and what’s not isn’t intuitive at all. This is where the beauty of any% shines through; as long as there isn’t an external device, you can finish the game however you want! Sure, not everyone is comfortable with using minor exploits in a game, but understand that the spirit of speedrunning isn’t necessarily getting WR, but instead beating your own PB; you can set restrictions for yourself (e.g. no glitches) and improve upon it even if there isn’t a category.
Have you submitted any runs, KingCoolgadgets? I'd love to see it! I'd love to help you out if you’re just starting out, and I’m sure a lot of others do too.
Respectfully, Andre
The bowser jr quick kill isn’t a glitch. There’s a small window of time where you can hit him before he goes into the shell and we hit him them. At least that’s how I understand the way it works.
Dear KingCoolgadgets,
Since you were able to bring this topic up, there is always a possibility of it being an actual category so long as more people agree with this and think any% glitchless should be one of the main categories. Thank you for suggesting the idea. I, for one, disagree though. Let me make my stance clear on that.
I’m not speaking for every single NSMB DS runners when I say this, but these restrictions you have set for "glitchless" are very difficult to call actual glitches. In my opinion, any% itself is already pretty friendly in terms of "glitches" in that none of them are hardly ever forced onto a runner. Boss quick-kills and death warps, even in a very broad sense, are far from actual glitches as far as I can see it. I would even go so far as to say that it’s just an attempt at making an easier any%.
Yes, I’m very well aware that glitch categorization isn’t your concern. However, that’s the only thing that truly matters when creating that category. You can propose your ideas on what’s allowed and what’s not, but as I said, people have different ideas for what a glitch is. You don’t get to decide the rules on your own, especially when glitchless isn’t a brand new idea. We'll have to wait and see.
Kind regards, Andre
KingCoolgadgests,
You keep saying that you don't want to argue about what counts as a glitch, but that is necessary for defining the category ruleset. If you're serious about making this a category on the category extensions leaderboard, we must have this discussion.
KingCoolgadgets,
Talking down to the community won’t make your point any stronger. I advise you not to do that if you want to be taken seriously and not like in your other thread.
Since you’re so hellbent on making that an actual category, why not post it on the category extensions page? Others have suggested it too, so why won’t you just do that? If you’re just going to continue this meaningless argument and not take action, you’re no better than an internet troll. I will not pursue this any further.
All the best,
Andre
Agreed; let's take this to the forums on the category extensions page: https://www.speedrun.com/New_Super_Mario_Bros._Category_Extensions/forum
I will be locking this thread tomorrow, after people have gotten a chance to read this message.
The reason I wanted to lock this thread was so we could move the conversation over to the category extensions leaderboard (which is where we discuss new category ideas), not to silence your opinion.
Maybe we should think of a different name for the category. So rather than glitchless it could be...umm...I can’t think of anything right now but I might later.
The problem with “glitchless” is that there’s 2 (by definition) glitches. Fast 8-2 and the 2-C Wall clip afaik.
Like I said, I made a thread specifically for this debate. There’s no point in repeatedly posting on the main boards anymore
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