Lithuania"Is this an issue? If your time isn't competitive, should it still be held to the same regard as WR? I don't think there's a right answer for this; there's a couple different ways you could look at it."
Then why ban accidental cheats for everyone? I'll tell you why, because you people only see what's on the fucking surface, that's why, i'd say very few know about NG+ and very few care, as expected. Accidental cheats arguably have way less affect than NG+ stuff.
You still haven't answered why it was okay to ban ginput and not ban other mods that arguably give advantage.
You still haven't answered how you time runs when control can be gained on a black screen, are you a magician?
Once again, why speedrun & more importantly why care about this website when the leaderboard is made up of some subjective rules randoms made up?
You try to justify the decisions that are made, but you don't talk about the people who made these decisions, does anyone even know who they are and why this stuff is decided specifically by these very few people?
"without having a real conversation" - Then what threads did I just post in my post? Did you not see me posting in them? Selective hearing?
I have brought these things up so so many times, whether it was here or the discord and spoiler: nothing happened.
"How I carry myself isn't the topic,so I'm not sure why you're going on about it."
So you can say personal things about me, but I can't do that, I'm going on about it because you started this, it's funny how once you hear something that you don't want to, you backtrack to question the topic.
"If you find something on FLYING, please let me or someone else know, because we've been unable to find evidence of cheating"
I did let someone know, nearly a year ago as well, ironically. Mouse sprinting is retarded, they should have had him do a run with inputs, he has also should probably send over his handling file after the runs.
It is WAY too late now.
Whether I personally think he cheats or not doesn't matter, I don't think he does. What matters is people do nothing about past cheaters, as shown here. So what are the value of these leaderboards again? There is hardly any.
"I see nothing wrong with his runs" - You see nothing wrong because you don't try to, as I explained above why you don't want to. Caring about the surface. AGAIN.
"Should we remove them now that the video is no longer accessible?" Lol, yes, how can you know the run has adhered to the rules that were put in place in the past, or the current rules now if you can't see it?
Are you just going to bank on faith it happened, it kind of ridicules the concept of video verification, if these people still have videos they are free to re-submit them, no?
"Different timing" was discussed, spoiler: nothing happened. Club of buddies x1. https://www.speedrun.com/gtasa/thread/zebsn
"Restarting the game every attempt" Subjective laws were put in place for WR attempts. Club of buddies x2. https://www.speedrun.com/gtasa/thread/zebsn/2
From the thread - "Yeah, we talked about it for a bit" Who is we? It is club of buddies, that's who.
"Ginput was banned because a random guy made a thread" - Good point, they will say "it gives advantage"
I could argue that other allowed mods do too, why don't you ban them? Club of buddies x3, subjective laws once again.
People say the vote was being brigaded by Hugo viewers who are so criticised, but nothing is said about people who run other GTA games and decide to have an opinion about SA related things when there's drama, or people who have done 2 attempts years ago. But suddenly their opinion matters because they are a part of IRC/Discord/GTAM, not SA speedrunning. Newsflash: no one gives a shit.
It is once again an example of randoms from like 2013 having importance over people who run these games right now.
"You haven't even been active here in quite some time but you make this big comeback just to fire off this loud cannon of a post and storm out"
I have been one of the most active people this year regarding talking about SA even when i'm not playing. Just because i'm not playing categories that are significant to you doesn't mean i'm not active. What significant thing have you done? I'll wait. I have nothing to prove with this game anymore, I am the best. I have been re-doing runs from new strats for years now. I can do more playing in a month than some people can do in years, new strats will probably not stop for a long time, so should I keep playing every month & every day so I could be labelled "active"? Straw grasping.
"Saying that "Joshimuz will come back like nothing happened" is aimless hate, something you know a lot of" - Look who's talking, you do this very often, just not here, but Twitch chats or Discord or youtube or whatever bullshit. When you try to act holier than thou, it only works on gullible people, this isn't twitch or youtube, it will not work here or atleast on me. The difference between me and you also is I don't call out people for being assholes unless they call me out, because I am one myself, so you shouldn't either.
A LOT of people here need to look in the mirror before talking, actually.
It took me a week to find out Anti was cheating in SA while it took you a year. I suggested for the runners of 3/VC to check his game speed. Nothing happened apart from the same idiots laughing. Now a year later this is somehow BIG NEWS. When you let past cheaters roam the leaderboards, you should audit them or give no 2nd chances, or the leaderboards have a chance of losing a lot of value. AND they did. Does anyone even care about VC/3 now? I certainly don't. So give me a reason to speedrun when i'm potentially competing to someone who is cheating and nobody is doing anything about it, and it is too late now.
"A category's current activity should have no bearing on where it exists. All Missions, NMG and 100% all fit the criteria of the main boards, so they will stay."
A category's current activity should have no bearing on where it exists is your personal opinion and also the criteria is whatever KZ_FREW says, this is the criteria - do not push your personal opinions on other people.
For some reason you people weren't against Bosz, Domo, Anti, Derpeth voting against Los Santos in the most recent thread - who have no runs of SA on the leaderboards, we should come up for a name for them like you all did with Hugo viewers. "Discord idiots who think they're special" - that's a good name. It's fine to brigade votes as long as other GTA runners do it, apparently, fuck other people. Then the people who call these cucks out are assholes. Ironic.
Using words such as "objectively" "obviously" "criteria" does not save you from criticism, unfortunately. Good try though.
Los Santos doesn't have to be misc. You can create "Cities" beside Miscellaneous with a drop-down arrow with LS,BL,SF,LV,RTLS in there. How will this cloud the leaderboard, curious to hear an answer for people who say this.
By banning Anti you are already having inaccuracies on the leaderboard because the runs are not judged individually anymore, I do not see why people who voted for this are having a problem with me removing my own?
While you're at it, remove runs that have no videos on them, there are a lot.
I am removing my runs from this website,I no longer want to be a part of this circle. They will still be on my channel and for anyone who wants to see of course.
I will try to be nice.
1/Main reason is the people behind getting the runs on these leaderboards are too ignorant to actually keep them right (e.g. ignoring the fact Anti was cheating in SA, not taking the runs down for months and not checking his VC/3 stuff for a WHOLE fucking year, not asking FLYING to provide add info before verifying his runs, constantly mis-timing runs and still having the stupid timing rule) there is more smaller things like this, I will not bother going into more detail. I am not even gonna go into the stupidity of VC/3 runners, i'll leave that.
Question for the mods, how do you know when the timing starts if CJ can gain control on a black screen?
And now the same people are still big stars the next day, which leads me to my next point
2/People who do constantly do stupid shit are still big stars the next day. MH removing IL leaderboards, still verifier, still probably had a say whether Anti should be permanently banned from the LBs in the little "group of friends" circle.
Joshimuz modding MH and defending him to death when he was doing stupid shit in the past, now he runs away from responsibility when it was his fault the ILs were removed, the next day Joshimuz is still making big decisions such as banning Anti from the leaderboards.
I could give more examples but these people don't really deserve attention.
"Group of friends" once again deciding what happens with a big part of the leaderboards (brings me to point 3)
It's actually funny how people see this website as a reliable one, they really need to see the behind-the-scenes bullshit that happens.
Future prediction, Joshimuz will be back here as Mod as if nothing happened in a few years.
People getting different treatment also because of ESA and other PR bullshit.
3/Categories only that the mods specifically want get added on the leaderboards, there's nothing more to say about this and it's quite obvious this is true, just read past locked threads if you have time.
It was the same idiots in 2013, same in 2018 and probably will still be the same 2023, reminder there is a difference between making mistakes and being VERY ignorant.
I'm basically sick of the never ending cycle of stupidity on these leaderboards so I do not want to be a part of it anymore. Same people with their same bullshit, same everything, different year.
Knowing all this, I do not see any point to be a part of this website.
I DO NOT want my runs re-submitted. Ever.
There is some red pills in here and maybe some things that are ahead of their time, so don't be too quick to talk. But then again nothing ever changes so it probably doesn't even matter because it'll be overlooked. Be sure to overlook this too because of my age or because I said X in the past so this means this thread is X.
I have a lot more to say, but i'd really rather not.
Rant over.
Peace.
People who vote B are as free to vote as people who voted A, just because something is starting to not go your way does not mean the vote is being brigaded.
Known member roles do not mean anything, half of those "known members" play other GTAs which are completely different from SA.
Some A voters (including Anti) have absolutely no runs on the leaderboard.
English_Ben was the first to start this "brigading" by posting a comment other than A or B
Who is really brigading the vote?
You're right Tier4Jean, which is why I say someone like Anti should never be super-mod in the first place.
I propose to unmod him,
He has a record of removing his own runs multiple times, forums threads, etc.... someone like that should NEVER have the power to remove the whole leaderboard.
If removing him makes the problem of "we need more mods" then there's plenty of SA runners who have no record of removing anything that can be modded.
KZ_FREW does not have any record of removing anything as far as I know, so he's fine, 1 Super-Mod is enough.
I am not sure why people that are not relevant to the San Andreas leaderboards keep trying to control everything.
Changing your opinion because of other peoples complaints.
You seem to be running out of things to defend yourself with.
Where is the sense in removing a category just because a similar one is added? It's like all of a sudden it doesn't make sense for ASM to be on the main leaderboards. If your arguement is ASM is a bad category then that's a different discussion.
If this discussion didn't happen or dupeless was not going to be added, ASM would still be on the leaderboards (yes i know it hasn't happened yet but it will so just getting ahead of it) - just going to let that sink in.
Btw, if i hear 1 more comparison to GTA 3/VC ima stab someone in the dick
Ohhhh you organise events, which is basically something anyone can do.
Help new runners? By shitting on them by being sarcastic? You're constantly shit-posting in #gtasa and you and other people here know it aswell, so keep lying to yourself.
I can give a million examples of you being a dickhead, it'll take you a whole week to delete all your shitposts.
Explain to me how what you post in the discord is more useful than what Nagenowa posts, all you do is shit on people for the smallest things.
If anything, you should be first one to be banned but you get a pass because you went to ESA or some bias reason.
By your definition of a good mod, MH is doing good, already belittling people by calling them cry babies just because they want some category on the leaderboard. The SA mods are very good at doing this,he fits right in.
"I still "RESERVE" the right to prevent crybabies from changing the leaderboard to their whim" - MH If this isn't having power someone else, then i don't know what is. Unless regular members can add/remove categories from the LB, MH has "power" over them.
When called out, just call the quote "shitposting" - right, Joshimuz? I'm sure MH will do that in his defense when he sees this.
Are you implying this is a big/controversial change, how does it matter? I know a lot of you get triggered over any "LS%"
threads or any threads requesting a new category, but it really makes no difference whether it is on here or not - it's basically just a pride thing for you.
And by the way, i recall you (mods) instantly locking/deleting LS% threads basically saying "we made up our minds" - but i can't find any of them to show examples so i can't really call you out on it but i'm sure some people will say there was way more threads than there is now - that's being very democratic, right?
- MH has banned people in the Discord for reasons that i think are not even remotely good enough, i don't see why he wouldn't abuse power here.
I'm just going to respond to this nonsense and the responses in this thread will probably be the last time because all it is is just basically talking to walls. NUMBER 1
Cool one @English_Ben @Joshimuz - Honestly, you or anyone else reading this, tell me how this is a contradiction?
YES, there's nothing wrong with MH being a moderator - a lot of people here are very capable of being mod. But him having a say over other people JUST because he is a moderator like he is indicating here is wrong, honestly, are you not smart enough to get the point? It really is a black hole arguing with some people here.
NUMBER 2
"Even if you look at the old "bring LS% to the leaderboard" threads the ammount of people who want it vs the ammount who don't - there's no big difference. Even looking at this Thread, seems like more people want Dupeless on the boards than people who don't OK, lets say it's not far off 50% (even if it is/isn't). A change to the current format/rules/country SHOULD require a higher than 51% vote. Again this is the problem with first past the post voting and pure democracies as I've stated previously. You seem to believe that if 51% of people want something then everything should be changed immediately to fit this. I personally don't believe this is the case but this is turning into polictal discussion. (Also who said Any% Dupeless isn't being added? We're discussing it, I'm even in favour of it!?!)"
- If 51% of people are in favour of it, then yes , it should be added, I am saying that you don't say whether that is right or not. This goes back to the word D E M O C R A C Y - spell it with me.
NUMBER 3
- I provided pictures with no context? I admit that's true, but here you go, tell me this still isn't context.
You or MH tell me this isn't acting over-important. - Come on defend yourselves - dig a deeper hole.
"and there was no one else who is suitable/wanted to"
- Please tell me what makes someone suitable to be mod and what makes MH so suitable?
The picture you posted of me, post the full context please.
We need Moderators for the Moderators, honestly.
The moderating is a mess SOMETIMES, and when i say the "mods" i obviously don't mean all 5 of them.
I said the mods aren't a problem, but the way they act sometimes is - there's nothing wrong with MH being mod.
You're constantly being babies that need to get special attention because you're constantly acting over-important - it is a CONSTANT fight with you all to get anything done - it's so crazy to me that people actually get behind the mods.
Can you explain why shouldn't putting a category on a leaderboards be sorted by democracy instead of 5 people? YES, i said that, and if people want LS% or whatever else "nonsense" (in your opinion) and the MAJORITY want it on the leaderboards, then let it be. If you don't agree, then this is an example of acting over-important Do the mods have an IQ of 200 and know what is right or wrong 100% of the time? Are yall some fucking speedrun experts? Even if you look at the old "bring LS% to the leaderboard" threads the ammount of people who want it vs the ammount who don't - there's no big difference. Even looking at this Thread, seems like more people want Dupeless on the boards than people who don't.
Nice one grabbing a completely out of context picture to trick people who aren't in the discord.
Here's MH saying something similar, now unless he has some kind of specific thing for joking about being power hungry, i think he is very serious when he says this - i can guarantee if you look through his messages you'll find more stuff like this
"when I called him out on stuff he previously said" Call it out here and i will tell you why you're wrong. But be sure to not post something taken out of context like you like to do.
Mods are getting called out btw, time to to abuse power and lock the thread.
Once AGAIN, the mods acting like over-important snowflakes
This guy has nothing to do with SA - never actively ran the game or nothing, but gets a say over everyone else because he started running VC in 2013 - makes sense, right guys?
Let's have the GTA IV mods moderate GTA V with this logic.
If it depends on popularity then remove the misc categories and ASM because they have hardly anyone running them.
I'm pretty amazed that there are people out there that support the mods. D E M O C R A C Y - spell it with me @SAMods
Popularity shouldn't determine whether the category is on the main leaderboards or not, that is stupid thinking
Shall we take off All Collectibles too? Or categories that have very few active runners?
you can do that in Nines and AK's aswell btw Nagenowa stop pretending you're from Lithuania you cuck
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